Will the re-release of the 808, 909 & 303 push the nuum fwd?

[kaili]

ye im bored of hearing bait house with 909 and boring beats with 808s tbh

Those have been pretty constant since the birth of house music though.

youre right, but thats why im bored of em lol

[Pedro Sánchez]

Has the nuum every been used in a conversation outside of blackdowns blog and FACT articles?

[m8son666]

what does it even mean?

[Pedro Sánchez]

what does it even mean?

exactly

[phrex]

1. it's not retrochic because it's not analog. they are digital and they look like fisher price games.
2. fresh music doesn't come from a relaunched but old and a billion times used gear.
3. it's not what you use, it's how you use it.

[m8son666]

yh but will it push the nuum?

[Pedro Sánchez]

yh but will it push the nuum?

only nuumpties can push the nuum

[topmo3]

if i could cough up the whatever incredible sum these machines will go for i'd probably buy them but not to make music but just for having fun and jamming and wrecking shit

[garethom]

what does it even mean?

exactly

You're right, all genres are unique and entirely standalone. None are influenced or shaped by those that came before them.

[Pedro Sánchez]

what does it even mean?

exactly

You're right, all genres are unique and entirely standalone. None are influenced or shaped by those that came before them.

Every genre is part of the nuum then, or are we just being selective to those that London music journos have a passing interest in.

[garethom]

It's the Hardcore Continuum.

Not the Every Genre Nuum.

[Pedro Sánchez]

It's the Hardcore Continuum.

Not the Every Genre Nuum.

Is Grime part of it?

[garethom]

Think so, yeah.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Think so, yeah.

Some don't think so and that's the point i'm making, it's bullshit really, any genre can take influence from another and take a completely other direction then come back on itself later down the line, the evolution of music is never linear imo.

[m8son666]

I'm not trying to be obtuse, i really don't know what it is.

pls explain

[DJoe]

some theory simon reynolds put together to describe the progression of harcore to jungle to garage to grime and dubstep and uk funky and bassline


i feel 130 was just blackdown trying to create a new nuum genre which is probably why a lot of it sounds so stale, generic and done before to me. (i do like wen tho)

[Genevieve]

The evolution of London based music in specific should be obvious to anyone. Just like the way acid evolved into trax in Chicago and the straight line you can follow from acid to footwork.

There are definitely outside influences (hardcore was influenced by hip-house, jungle by hip-hop, garage by diva house and r&b), but those influences are all usurped by the styles and made their own and secondary to the defining characteristics that are shared by the whole "hardcore continuum" (swingy drums, bouncey sub bass basslines, relatively sparse samble based production, dub reggae references or influences). Each major development of a 'continuum' style music is obviously a callback to a previous one and a reaction to the one that came before it.

I hate the term, though. I much prefer 'London soundsystem culture', but that's irrelevant.

You see developments like these outside of electronic music as well. Take hardcore punk in America, that was then developed into post-hardcore, post-rock, math-rock and emo. Especially with emo you see a fairly straight line going from beginning to end, with each phase being reactionary in one way or another to the last.

[garethom]

Think so, yeah.

Some don't think so and that's the point i'm making, it's bullshit really, any genre can take influence from another and take a completely other direction then come back on itself later down the line, the evolution of music is never linear imo.

Well yeah, it's pretty much only what one dude said, and a lot of people tend to agree with it. Not like it was government mandated or something, not really worth getting wound up about.

To me, it just seems to make sense, similar themes, underground, pirate radio, bass heavy.

I'm not trying to be obtuse, i really don't know what it is.

pls explain

On a very, very basic level, I guess it's:

Hardcore
|
Jungle
/ \
DnB------UKG
/--------\
Grime Dubstep
\
Post-Dubstep

Edit: The "Grime" line should be coming out of UKG, but can't make it go there.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Not like it was government mandated or something

Should be, Grime needs a funding programme.

[hubb]

let alone how many quality 808 and 909 sample packs there are (goldbaby tape 808/909 almost beats having an actual 808 or 909 tbh)

This. Anyone can program an 808 beat with a sample pack and a bit of groove.


What are you actually paying for with a hardware machine?

Natural headroom, elasticity and authenticity. But more so with the 303. The 303 can be interpreted but not emulated. There's no substitute for the way it can bend.

Imo on a large scale none of these machines do what you lot are saying. Its never just machines that end up in someones hands and then they find out a way. It has always been via 'paradigmic' tracks that we discovered a sound. There's not even an mpc sound imo - just pads that got tapped

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Ironic how the most distinguishably new sound from 200? and onwards is the sound of soundforges and it's poor algorithms