Ukraine

[faultier]

Hearing more rumors that Russia will be selling fuel and arms only in Rubles, and Rossiya Bank is closing all dollar deposit accounts, and transacting only in Rubles.

In the last decade, fucking with the petrodollar has invariably lead to a knife in the ass. Lez see on this one.

well there it is:

On the heels of Russia's potential "holy grail" gas deal with China, the news of a Russia-Iran oil "barter" deal, it appears the US is starting to get very concerned about its almighty Petrodollar
*U.S. HAS WARNED RUSSIA, IRAN AGAINST POSSIBLE OIL BARTER DEAL
*U.S. SAYS ANY SUCH DEAL WOULD TRIGGER SANCTIONS
*U.S. HAS CONVEYED CONCERNS TO IRANIAN GOVT THROUGH ALL CHANNELS

We suspect these sanctions would have more teeth than some travel bans, but, as we noted previously, it is just as likely to be another epic geopolitical debacle resulting from what was originally intended to be a demonstration of strength and instead is rapidly turning out into a terminal confirmation of weakness.

It can be said that the US sanctions have opened a Pandora's box of troubles for the American currency. The Russian retaliation will surely be unpleasant for Washington, but what happens if other oil producers and consumers decide to follow the example set by Russia? During the last month, China opened two centers to process yuan-denominated trade flows, one in London and one in Frankfurt. Are the Chinese preparing a similar move against the greenback? We'll soon find out.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-0 ... sting-deal

[nowaysj]

If we get off that petrodollar watch the US go greener than a Mendocino pot field.

[titchbit]

Things are looking preeeetttty bad right now. Russia's actions are so predictable:

send in russian forces to start riots and take over cities -> forces Ukraine's govt to send in their forces to stop the rioting -> claim that ethnic russians are in trouble because the Ukrainian govt is harming them -> use that as an excuse to take over Eastern Ukraine.



We should just assassinate dictators like Putin imo. I really doubt there's someone else in Russia charismatic and machiavellian enough to continue doing this work, at least in the foreseeable future. Would give enough time to set up a real government in both Ukraine and Russia. That way you also wouldn't have to start a fucking war.

Of course no country wants to be the one who assassinates dictators, so it won't happen. But it would make things a lot easier if we had some sort of united group of nations that could deliberate over things like these and take forceful collective actions...

[faultier]

Things are looking preeeetttty bad right now.USA's actions are so predictable:

send in mercenaries and fund local izan gangs to start riots and take ove rKiev-> forces Ukraine's govt to send in their forces to stop the rioting -> claim that local sizan are in trouble because the Ukrainian govt is harming them -> use that as an excuse to install a bogus government

seriously tho, the fact US wants to keep its hegemony i understand, why european governments are participating in this farce is beyond me: http://www.leap2020.net/euro-brics/2014 ... d/?lang=en

[Nihilism]

We should just assassinate dictators like Putin imo. I really doubt there's someone else in Russia charismatic and machiavellian enough to continue doing this work, at least in the foreseeable future. Would give enough time to set up a real government in both Ukraine and Russia. That way you also wouldn't have to start a fucking war.

Of course no country wants to be the one who assassinates dictators, so it won't happen. But it would make things a lot easier if we had some sort of united group of nations that could deliberate over things like these and take forceful collective actions...

You really think that the solution of this is killing Putin? If you do that, Russia will just cancel all gas transportation and that's a bad thing for Germany who can't do a thing after that. France is too poor to start a war with Russia and the same goes up for AmeriKKKa. UK doesn't give a fuck what happens on the European mainland and rather whines that they wanna leave the EU, We can only give two planes and a bomb squad and Holland ain't that stupid to be the only strong country in a war against a country as Russia. Don't forget that Russia was the one with the biggest army in both World Wars and the patriotism only got bigger after those wars. Just go to Stalingrad to see what i mean.

[didi]

We should just assassinate dictators like Putin imo.

im disappointed

[faultier]

Of course no country wants to be the one who assassinates dictators, so it won't happen. But it would make things a lot easier if we had some sort of united group of nations that could deliberate over things like these and take forceful collective actions...

its funny you said that because this "hypothetical "scenario you describe is pretty much accurately how NATO collectively deliberated that they would topple and murder Khadafi against all international law (lol, international law)

[titchbit]

k i'll just casually go to stalingrad... to see what you mean.

i'm talking about if we had some sort of.... intergovernmental council that could make swift decisions on things like these to prevent global catastrophes. like they could take a vote, and be like "hey putin, knock it the fuck off or we're gonna just arrest you and set up a new government".

he just needs to be removed from the situation.


Killing is a bit drastic, but if he won't stop until he, slowly but surely, takes over the world, and we can't remove him from the situation any other way (arrest), then yeah ideally it would be pretty nice if some anonymous dude just killed him.

i mean, we killed hitler didn't we? or we would have. hitler used these same EXACT tactics during WWII to take over countries in Europe. "ethnic Germans."

[faultier]

^you sound so misinformed i dont even know where to start

[titchbit]

start.

read my entire post doe, i expanded it.

[DJoe]

the shambles of IPCC and UNFCCC demonstrates that globally we are incapable of using mega-multlateral governance to do anything in this world that involves such a large conflict of interests globally.

Americas interests aren't reflected by the EU let alone the rest of the world. mega-multilateral governance (unless its something simple like ozone layer depletion) doesn't work

[titchbit]

the shambles of IPCC and UNFCCC demonstrates that globally we are incapable of using mega-multlateral governance to do anything in this world that involves such a large conflict of interests globally.

Americas interests aren't reflected by the EU let alone the rest of the world. mega-multilateral governance (unless its something simple like ozone layer depletion) doesn't work

yeah, this. i'm saying we need to make it work before we have another Hitler situation on our hands. it might not be putin, but at some point it could be someone else.

[DJoe]

who is we?

[magma]

k i'll just casually go to stalingrad... to see what you mean.

i'm talking about if we had some sort of.... intergovernmental council that could make swift decisions on things like these to prevent global catastrophes. like they could take a vote, and be like "hey putin, knock it the fuck off or we're gonna just arrest you and set up a new government".

he just needs to be removed from the situation.


Killing is a bit drastic, but if he won't stop until he, slowly but surely, takes over the world, and we can't remove him from the situation any other way (arrest), then yeah ideally it would be pretty nice if some anonymous dude just killed him.

i mean, we killed hitler didn't we? or we would have. hitler used these same EXACT tactics during WWII to take over countries in Europe. "ethnic Germans."

We do have that, it's called the UN and where the UN chickens out, it tends to stand by and let coalitions "of the willing" step in and get on with regime change. Where any of those processes stop short is *long before* kicking out the democratically elected and broadly adored leader of 143 million Russians.

[faultier]

well if you want to go down the godwin point route and invoke hitler, i suggest you start by informing yourself on who are the "revolutionaries" that the US are backing in Ukraine, i also suggest you read up a bit on the history of WW2, because WW2 and the role of Ukrainian sizan in the barbarossa operation is one of the major reasons russia, understandably, do not want the descendants of stepan bandera in power in bordering Ukraine

[titchbit]

k i'll just casually go to stalingrad... to see what you mean.

i'm talking about if we had some sort of.... intergovernmental council that could make swift decisions on things like these to prevent global catastrophes. like they could take a vote, and be like "hey putin, knock it the fuck off or we're gonna just arrest you and set up a new government".

he just needs to be removed from the situation.


Killing is a bit drastic, but if he won't stop until he, slowly but surely, takes over the world, and we can't remove him from the situation any other way (arrest), then yeah ideally it would be pretty nice if some anonymous dude just killed him.

i mean, we killed hitler didn't we? or we would have. hitler used these same EXACT tactics during WWII to take over countries in Europe. "ethnic Germans."

We do have that, it's called the UN and where the UN chickens out, it tends to stand by and let coalitions "of the willing" step in and get on with regime change. Where any of those processes stop short is *long before* kicking out the democratically elected and broadly adored leader of 143 million Russians.

This is what i'm trying to get at. Yeah we have the UN, but they're basically chicken shit for anything but as dfaultzer said, healing the ozone layer. If we had a system where we could like, hold elections by thousands of representatives from every country in the world and come to a reasonable conclusion that Putin needs to peace, then that would be a good thing imo as long as there were enough checks and balances and oversight to make sure it doesn't go corrupt itself.

[nobody]

KILL PUTIN!!!!!!!

[titchbit]

well if you want to go down the godwin point route and invoke hitler, i suggest you start by informing yourself on who are the "revolutionaries" that the US are backing in Ukraine, i also suggest you read up a bit on the history of WW2, because WW2 and the role of Ukrainian sizan in the barbarossa operation is one of the major reasons russia, understandably, do not want the descendants of stepan bandera in power in bordering Ukraine

there should be a law against invoking godwin's law when it's appropriate.

i'm not aware that the US is backing any significant revolutionaries in Ukraine at this point. Please tell me more. I don't mean that sarcastically, maybe I just haven't heard, in which case please tell me.

and i don't see how the WW2 stuff is relevant. This has nothing to do with Ukraine/Russia's role in WW2. I was just saying that Putin is using the same tactics that Hitler did when he took over countries in Europe. specifically the "ethnic Germans" argument.

KILL PUTIN!!!!!!!

This. we should form an angry mob.

[DJoe]

This is what i'm trying to get at. Yeah we have the UN, but they're basically chicken shit for anything but as dfaultzer said, healing the ozone layer. If we had a system where we could like, hold elections by thousands of representatives from every country in the world and come to a reasonable conclusion that Putin needs to peace, then that would be a good thing imo as long as there were enough checks and balances and oversight to make sure it doesn't go corrupt itself.

yeah you've missed my point completely multi-lateral governance is fine for something like the ozone layer when there is comparatively a much smaller conflict of interests but when its the governance of something like this, there are too many conflicts of interests so cohesion isn't possible. no agreement will be made and if one is made it will be to late or not legally binding, strong enought to have an affect etc.
which is the reason to some extent the UN doesn't work

an outcome that works for one group of countries or country is likely to not work for a large number of others

again who is 'we'?

[faultier]

This is what i'm trying to get at. Yeah we have the UN, but they're basically chicken shit for anything but as dfaultzer said, healing the ozone layer. If we had a system where we could like, hold elections by thousands of representatives from every country in the world and come to a reasonable conclusion that Putin needs to peace, then that would be a good thing imo as long as there were enough checks and balances and oversight to make sure it doesn't go corrupt itself.

you might not be aware of this in the US, but if such a worldwide representative body existed, and was truly democratic the first thing most people outside the US (who, surprisingly enough, would have a large majority) would vote for would be for US to peace out and stop to organize coup d'etats, topple legitimately elected govts, spy on fucking everyone, outsource CIA torture resorts all over the world, drag other countries in useless wars and drone strike whoever they feel like, etc i can keep on for days, but you get the idea

not saying Putin is blameless, but seriously, compared to US presidents, he's a small time crook

ah...wishful thinking