Reasons why a UKIP vote is a good vote

[test_recordings]

I agree with Pedro, for the most part.

[rickyarbino]

In doing so you only play into it imo.
Like, you may not want kebabs and shit but your post count, as well as the existence of your account, suggests that you give more of a fuck about sitting at a computer and babbling with strangers about music you simultaneously like and don't like and unrelated matters to the music (your activity in SNH) than really being a part of life and making the most of the relatively limited time you havfe in life.

I fully agree with Agent's post, do think the idea is reflected in people of all nationalities tbf, but yeah English people ain't shit tbh.

[test_recordings]

I don't live in the UK, I am part of life in a different part of the world. If you pay attention to things beyond my post count, you might notice I don't particularly post in the bullshit time-killer threads involving pictures etc. I am particularly active on sites like http://www.opendemocracy.net where people can discuss various political and social issues. I'm actually active in politics, I actually talk to my politician and try to persuade him to do things a certain way etc. I try and talk to people here and other sites to get their opinions and I will admit I'm wrong, I'm not interested in covering my own arse for the sake of it. I only care about the UK because of my friends and family, as well as watching my last resort (moving back) go to complete shit isn't a good idea.

Anyway, I don't actually think British people are generally lazy. I do think they're demotivated by shitty living conditions, though. You ever worked for 2 months with no pay? I have and so did everyone I worked with at the place (they probably went even longer) so fuck anyone that says you should be happy just for having a job etc, got fired for giving an ultimatum on it (court date or pay, choose) after being lied to so many times I fucking snapped. Students can be just fucking lazy though And I like kebabs, the Iranian places in Leeds are well good!

As I said before in this thread for the people who missed it, English people are dumb for taking a shafting from politicians telling them it's for the good of the country, when the people ARE the country. People need to get more active politically and pay attention to the facts than some dumb nationalism...

[faultier]

^most of you say about political apathy b2b drinking the nationalist/populist kool aid isn't a typical UK thing though, i'd say this applies to most if not all countries in the world

[test_recordings]

I'm not sure it makes it okay if other countries do it too, you know? Even the UN has rinsed the UK twice in a row for being shitter than should be expected of such a supposedly rich country.

[faultier]

didn't meant it was okay because everyone is the same mind you, just that the word "English" in the sentence: "As I said before in this thread for the people who missed it, English people are dumb for taking a shafting from politicians telling them it's for the good of the country, when the people ARE the country" might as well be removed

[magma]

cos the green party....leader's a criminal

Incorrect.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... st-charges

[rickyarbino]

I don't live in the UK, I am part of life in a different part of the world. If you pay attention to things beyond my post count, you might notice I don't particularly post in the bullshit time-killer threads involving pictures etc. I am particularly active on sites like http://www.opendemocracy.net where people can discuss various political and social issues. I'm actually active in politics, I actually talk to my politician and try to persuade him to do things a certain way etc. I try and talk to people here and other sites to get their opinions and I will admit I'm wrong, I'm not interested in covering my own arse for the sake of it. I only care about the UK because of my friends and family, as well as watching my last resort (moving back) go to complete shit isn't a good idea.

Anyway, I don't actually think British people are generally lazy. I do think they're demotivated by shitty living conditions, though. You ever worked for 2 months with no pay? I have and so did everyone I worked with at the place (they probably went even longer) so fuck anyone that says you should be happy just for having a job etc, got fired for giving an ultimatum on it (court date or pay, choose) after being lied to so many times I fucking snapped. Students can be just fucking lazy though And I like kebabs, the Iranian places in Leeds are well good!

As I said before in this thread for the people who missed it, English people are dumb for taking a shafting from politicians telling them it's for the good of the country, when the people ARE the country. People need to get more active politically and pay attention to the facts than some dumb nationalism...

I don't think there's much of a difference between being lazy and being demotivated, at least not a measurable one tbh.
And the threads you choose to post in are irrelevant because sitting here and rattling on with strangers is fundamentally unproductive. This exchange of all things is proof of the fact that you've been softened by a cushy English lifestyle tbh, how else could you justify such a blatant waste of time? I doubt you don't have more important things to do, but you still cotch here on a regular basis, the biggest contribution you can make from here is what we call slacktivism.
But yeah, don't worry, everyone in the world is the same, and any other person who lived your life would have to behave the same way. So really what I'm saying isn't that you're necessarily worse than other people, just that you shouldn't inflate your self perception because you're the same. And by saying that "english people aren't lazy" etc. you're implying that other people are, and who could you say genuinely is lazy if we're all the same? It's just a shit thing to say imo.

[wirez]

You lost me at:

I read it on a leaflet through my door

But in my opinion all of that is insignificant compared to the confirmed fact that we're all going to be fucked by climate change unless it's made an absolute priority.

Therefore, I'm Green.

[wirez]

I actually have too much face in the worldwide dubstep community

Who are you?

[wirez]

racism /ban

I have yet to see any racism reading this far down...

[rickyarbino]

I actually have too much face in the worldwide dubstep community

Who are you?

That was a joke tbf, also I meant to say faith.
Hello though. Jessle Morris at your service.

[wirez]

He seems to think that he's more entitled to opportunities than they are because he fell out of his mum's floppy twat on the same irrelevant piece of earth as some other people who would be creating the opportunities. Presumably takes pride and partial credit in the efforts of other people's work, if they too were born on the aforementioned irrelevant land plot.

Your underlying point would be beautiful in an ideal world. But unfortunately all land in the world is not free to walk on without bowing to such and such powers and imperialism is a thing. I agree with you that if somebody should be allowed the right to live and work where they like, but with both overpopulation and the amount of immigrants who don't actually work or give back anything to the communities they're supposed to be joining (not destroying by overriding them with their own cultures and pushing the previous cultures out). I'm sorry but even as a left-wing non UKIP voter, that is not living in harmony; that is a form of subtle degradation of one culture to expand another into other territories.

In an ideal world there would be no 'powers' and anybody could live freely. I.e. A Utopian Resource-Based Economy. But until the day (post-apocalypse) that is possible, there needs to be an element of resilience against who is entitled to live where. Otherwise, in the event of national/international/worldwide disaster/catastrophe there will be no order and it will be survival of the fittest and complete barbaric slaughter to win territorial safety.

[wirez]

he's low skilled and will happily take a "blue collar" job such as factory work, but he's having trouble finding one because all the Poles have them.

Sounds a bit 80's to me. IF he's willing to work, he will find work. Sales & customer service Call centres with any reputation and chance of sustainability prefer British workers as a rule. If they're illiterate they could help build more call centres and offices if that fails there'll be more job centres opening taking on security guards for pin heads who only need a small bit of cheap experience.

[wirez]

To be fair this is my general overrule view on the matter.

[rickyarbino]

You're at least 11% racist tbh.
Think you also missed my underlying point. My point was what's been stated later on in the thread by others. Nationality is merely a coincidence of modern existence. Nobody deserves their nationality, so it doesn't make a lot of purely logical sense to say that they deserve to benefit from having it. If you aren't able to keep up with the expectations of society, you should expect to be left behind. Which Jaydot, or his peers at least, doesn't seem capable of doing. Also, failure to keep up is failure to integrate, so Jaydot's point is beyond irrelevant tbh.

Also,

until the day (post-apocalypse) that is possible, there needs to be an element of resilience against who is entitled to live where.

I'm not sure if that's what you meant to say but if it was, I have no idea why you think you're disagreeing with me tbh.

[wirez]

I actually have too much face in the worldwide dubstep community

Who are you?

That was a joke tbf, also I meant to say faith.
Hello though. Jessle Morris at your service.

We all make mistakes. I was above supposed to say I was a LEFT-wing idealist but because of all of the mention of RIGHT I ended up typing it Fixed.

Nice to meet you. I'm Josh Smith, I hate most Dubstep

[wirez]

You're at least 11% racist tbh.
Think you also missed my underlying point. My point was what's been stated later on in the thread by others. Nationality is merely a coincidence of modern existence. Nobody deserves their nationality, so it doesn't make a lot of purely logical sense to say that they deserve to benefit from having it. If you aren't able to keep up with the expectations of society, you should expect to be left behind. Which Jaydot, or his peers at least, doesn't seem capable of doing. Also, failure to keep up is failure to integrate, so Jaydot's point is beyond irrelevant tbh.

Also,

until the day (post-apocalypse) that is possible, there needs to be an element of resilience against who is entitled to live where.

I'm not sure if that's what you meant to say but if it was, I have no idea why you think you're disagreeing with me tbh.

I didn't intend to indicate I was disagreeing with you actually... You seem to take things quite personally, you may wish to address that as a character flaw. I recommend a bit of Eckhart Tolle.

[wirez]

increasingly bitter at having to choose between some guy i really despise and completely disagree with and some guy i despise a little bit less and completely disagree with

Hahaha sounds like DSF.

[wirez]

I got shit to do so unfortunately can't read the other 20 pages. If this thread continues and hasn't concluded I'll probably keep popping in, politics are lol's.