Reasons why a UKIP vote is a good vote

[ezza]

jesslem just argues for the sake of it lol

i dont think he even cares what hes saying as long as it opposes the other persons view

[test_recordings]

Considering you're saying that and all

[rickyarbino]

I don't see why you're trying so hard to dig at me...

Oh but I wasn't, and you got madder than you would've if I had been.

[rickyarbino]

I was just trying to reveal the underlying laziness in you and show you that even what you perceive to be lazy can be seen as demotivation tbh.

[wirez]

With regard to the diffusion of indigenous cultures I think the same argument can be made, if a culture is unable to adapt to change then it's shit.

What actually makes it shit though? Whatever happened to if it ain't broke don't fix it? And 'adapting to change' to become, for example, a Muslim when you don't believe in their policies doesn't seem right to me. What's wrong with a culture who is happy how it is and can stand up for itself when there's attempt to force to change it?

No word of a lie I'm a humanitarian but some of you are so hooked on political correctness and calling people racist that you chuck out seemingly heroic statements because you're coming from a place of comfort or lack of pride in your culture. I would not class myself as patriotic but integrating cultures always makes more sense to me than trying to change them.

[wirez]

the whole country has to be completely self sustainable.. you can use no raw materials outside the UK, no investment or foreign capital, no food or other commodities imported.

Suggesting that this isn't possible is the bigotry and ignorance that halts sustainable living and keeps us in times where economy still decides our quality of life. With the technology available I believe everybody could easily be self-sustainable. It would take great change and a turn to a greener world with sustainable fuels particularly, but it's possible.

I recommend to you some Jacque Fresco.

[wirez]

thank u for gracing us all w/ ur opinion of every post in this thread wires

How I roll son. Managed to somehow end up here from the dubs thread which is the only place I visit on DSF these days. But it's nice to see there's still a little community here.

[wirez]

Call Centre work

In comes the argument of...

If you need a job and have a family to run don't be a picky tnuc with your work, support your family and don't blame foreigners if you choose to be lazy.

[Muncey]

the whole country has to be completely self sustainable.. you can use no raw materials outside the UK, no investment or foreign capital, no food or other commodities imported.

With the technology available I believe everybody could easily be self-sustainable.

So paradoxical. How do you think technology has got to this point? Being completely closed off from one another and not sharing ideas freely? Good luck being self-sufficient without using foreign stuff, almost all technology that is available has been invested by many different people of all nationalities, raw materials come from all different places and they're assembled in loads of different countries.

Being self-sufficient without foreign capital/investment/technology/raw materials/labour would basically be like living in the woods and hunting animals with sticks. Unfortunately we're that advanced that we can't be self-sufficient on our own. I mean you can block yourself off so much for the good of the economy and to help the citizens of your country but to think being self-sufficient is easy without relying on the rest of the world even a little bit is stupid, ask the North Koreans.. who struggle despite trading with China still.

[rickyarbino]

Wirez, you're now at least 30% racist.

[scspkr99]

What actually makes it shit though? Whatever happened to if it ain't broke don't fix it? And 'adapting to change' to become, for example, a Muslim when you don't believe in their policies doesn't seem right to me. What's wrong with a culture who is happy how it is and can stand up for itself when there's attempt to force to change it?

No word of a lie I'm a humanitarian but some of you are so hooked on political correctness and calling people racist that you chuck out seemingly heroic statements because you're coming from a place of comfort or lack of pride in your culture. I would not class myself as patriotic but integrating cultures always makes more sense to me than trying to change them.

Because cultures change organically absent immigration and the idea that it poses danger to cultural hegemony a strawman. Do you think your cultural references are the same as your grandfathers and his the same as his grandfathers? I don't.

So what culture is it we're talking of protecting and why is it worth it? I'm reading that british culture is being attacked but no one is defining what it is being attacked or how.

[test_recordings]

I was just trying to reveal the underlying laziness in you and show you that even what you perceive to be lazy can be seen as demotivation tbh.

I think you have you're own logic backwards there... I'm not getting mad either, I haven't foe'd you because it's amuing if nothing else

[test_recordings]

You could be self-sufficient with technology, but I think you'd be living in a box with what's available today...

[rickyarbino]

I was just trying to reveal the underlying laziness in you and show you that even what you perceive to be lazy can be seen as demotivation tbh.

I think you have you're own logic backwards there... I'm not getting mad either, I haven't foe'd you because it's amuing if nothing else

What's backwards about it? By demonstrating the similarity between the states of laziness and demotivation I assert that english people are lazy. You're the one who said they weren't and tried to justify that by introducing demotivation.

[test_recordings]

I was just trying to reveal the underlying laziness in you and show you that even what you perceive to be lazy can be seen as demotivation tbh.

I think you have you're own logic backwards there... I'm not getting mad either, I haven't foe'd you because it's amuing if nothing else

What's backwards about it? By demonstrating the similarity between the states of laziness and demotivation I assert that english people are lazy. You're the one who said they weren't and tried to justify that by introducing demotivation.

Not that bit, the bit about trying to

show you that even what you perceive to be lazy can be seen as demotivation tbh

. It should be the other way around. I appreciate what you're trying to achieve but you're just coming across as an incoherent dickhead so foe list for you sir. I'll unblock you later in life to see if you can put a decent logical proposal across...

[wirez]

Being completely closed off from one another and not sharing ideas freely?

I never said anything about being completely closed off? We're talking about self-sustainabilty here, that doesn't mean going into complete Hadrian's wall lockdown, it just means relying more on what's available to us rather than importing it. Food is a massive example. We import so much food into the UK when we're perfectly able to grow it ourselves.

I invite you to look into vertical farming as a start.

Being self-sufficient without foreign capital/investment/technology/raw materials/labour would basically be like living in the woods and hunting animals with sticks.

You're clearly oblivious to the amounts of people who are directing their lives to a more Palaeolithic nature.

Unfortunately we're that advanced that we can't be self-sufficient on our own. I mean you can block yourself off so much for the good of the economy and to help the citizens of your country but to think being self-sufficient is easy without relying on the rest of the world even a little bit is stupid

Because a seemingly lazy, tunnel-visioned (ignoring anything I said and going off on your own little rant about 'relying on the rest of the world'), angry and bitter, argumentative & ignorant person yourself says so? The blueprints to successful resourced-based, sustainable, green and self-providing communities are there; and they're not developed in a 'going backwards' fashion, they're there for a purpose of growth and exploration.

Did you ever consider everything you say is ridiculously negative? Negativity is the reason we won't survive.

[wirez]

Wirez, you're now at least 30% racist.

Sweet. Was never one to let pigeon-holes effect my productivity anyway Think I'm racist? Go ahead and crack on. I go beyond the fears and limitations of other people, their opinions are their own business not mine.

[Muncey]

Being completely closed off from one another and not sharing ideas freely?

I never said anything about being completely closed off? We're talking about self-sustainabilty here

I stopped reading after here tbh. You may be talking about self-sustainability and not being closed off but I was on about how being closed off would make life - on the whole - unsustainable.. I was talking in relation to closing off immigration. You seem to have either misunderstood my points or jumped in mid-conversation and taken a couple of comments and argued against them. My point was if you wanna stop immigration you've gotta stop the other things as well and we just aren't ready for that and its not desirable, on a national level at least. We may very well be sustainable but stopping all foreign imports over night and being completely closed off would be chaos.. but to keep with consistency if you wanna close off immigration you've gotta close off the rest. So really your argument has very little to do with what I was actually saying.

[dddemain]

The blueprints to successful resourced-based, sustainable, green and self-providing communities are there; and they're not developed in a 'going backwards' fashion, they're there for a purpose of growth and exploration.

Communities, not societies. There are too many people in the world for this to actually work on a large scale. Doesn't mean that everyone cant start being more sustainable or green though.

[hubb]

Just saying.


The idea that we are too many people to sustain even just the way we are living is a construct, it's not a hard truth at all. There's only a truth in the understanding of division.

Don't believe a notion just because it seems logical, it's an idea used to disenfranchise the weak. It's not wrong to actually consider a group weak.
It's on the other hand, quite beneficial.