Call for bedroom DJs to not play for free...

[m8son666]

if you spend loads of money learning how to make music in a structured way then you are a moron imo

[DonovanCorl]

if you spend loads of money learning how to make music in a structured way then you are a moron imo

I don't spend that much, I spent a lot to be able to make it though.

[m8son666]

i mean yeah fair enough buying gear or whatever but if you pay loads for a course like dubspot or equivalent then thats pretty stupid imo

[hubb]

Unless you want everyone to write music on guitars made out of scrap wood and to never record anything then music will always need to have the business side.

There's not even a dedicated music computer available on the market, so I'm not so sure.
There's expensive shit vsts and softsynths etc but there's also REALLY socially concious piracy going on and most of the revolutionairy coding where done by geeks at home in the late 70/80s.
Im using logic on a pc from 2001 and the progress in that field since then isn't that noticeable for me tbh.
The things those companies spend money on is pr, the acquisition of concepts that can lead to certain patents but not a lot in developement.

[wolf89]

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No musicians, promoters, dancers or djs deserve pay. Get a real person job and do it out of fun

Hoping this is a sarcastic comment about the situation or something cause if not I've no idea what you're on about

It's sarcastic but Im serious but not expecting people to agree. I see working in music as a sort of vanity project. Let the village elders take it up next time.

It costs massive amounts of money though. Literally EVERYTHING in music costs lots of money. You couldn't have any electronic music or djing without putting out serious amounts in. Unless you want everyone to write music on guitars made out of scrap wood and to never record anything then music will always need to have the business side.

There's not a town in europe where it's impossible to get either public funding or cultural sponsorship deals if you know how to present it to them.
That's not a solution in itself if we expect all 'privately arranged' concerts to adhere to a general commercial standard ofcourse, but that is my point.
The form music entertainment and the role promotion has taken in most of society is like a strip show or a concert for kids where everything is planned and a 'show'.

A clubbing experience -says nothing about the musics quality, which I assume you agree with, but the notion makes it more likely that a promoter is money grabber than say a musician himself.
I don't even believe the expensive soundsystem culture is really that dependant on that side of the clubbing experience. I'd hate to bring psytrance into the mix (also literally ) but there's guys out there that just sit and wait for people to come and borrow their function ones.
I believe it's possible to educate the audience and by that, take part.
That's part of what I'd like musicians and djs to think about and I understand that we usually just bow down to promoters and that whole scheme because it's a quick solution.
Usually and this is with a lot of big names in mind, it's the agencies themselves that inflate the price on artists and when you talk with them directly, its more often than not possible to get a deal that is cheaper if they know what kind of people or concert you are trying to put on.
Obviously the uk club market is a lot differen than most of the world and there's a lot of tradition etc but look at something like bangface in comparison.

How is the music even gonna get made and out to the world without money? How are people who make the instruments, equipment, soundsystems or own the venue going to afford to do this if it's based solely on people who only make money on a small hobby scale? Do you reckon a recording studio would be spending hundreds of thousands on equipment if music never went beyond being a hobby? Would you have even heard loads of the music you have if labels weren't making money so they can push more stuff further? How much music would sound like arse because it's made in shitty bedroom studios funded out of pocket and then not mastered properly because mastering houses wouldn't exist because they operate as a business?

[RKM]

hubb u fucking hippy how am i supposed to afford cocaine and plastic tits for my wife if i'm not being paid millions of dollars to play guitar at each show

[ezza]

yeah those tutorials are shit imo and just lead to making bait generic wank

people who over think shit too much piss me off as well

just like asking questions about every fucking tiny detail...and getting waaaaaaay to technical about it. just listen to your tune ffs see what you think of it yourself - adjust accordingly

the production board pains me. its proper hard to read through lol

[wolf89]

Unless you want everyone to write music on guitars made out of scrap wood and to never record anything then music will always need to have the business side.

There's not even a dedicated music computer available on the market, so I'm not so sure.
There's expensive shit vsts and softsynths etc but there's also REALLY socially concious piracy going on and most of the revolutionairy coding where done by geeks at home in the late 70/80s.
Im using logic on a pc from 2001 and the progress in that field since then isn't that noticeable for me tbh.
The things those companies spend money on is pr, the acquisition of concepts that can lead to certain patents but not a lot in developement.

Right so I'm sure the £50 000s worth of monitor speakers a (good) mastering engineer is using to stop your tunes sounding like shit are built by someone in their house for a tenner and the rest is PR...

[wolf89]

hubb u fucking hippy how am i supposed to afford cocaine and plastic tits for my wife if i'm not being paid millions of dollars to play guitar at each show

How the fuck are people so ignorant to quite how expensive getting good quality music out to the world really is?

DMZ tunes for example wouldn't be heard by you guys if the people who make all the equipment and the people mastering the records, the pressing plant, the sound system companies and the venue they put their nights on weren't making money?

[hubb]

Bedroom DJ'ing ?

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No musicians, promoters, dancers or djs deserve pay. Get a real person job and do it out of fun

Okay so I should just shell out thousands of dollars, spend years studying music theory, go to college for it, and not get paid? I don't think so.

i've made a couple of more reasonable posts since that one but..

You shouldn't shell out because there's not a lot of stuff that is worth paying for and you shouldn't study music theory in a school, because you can find out in a more useful way by yourself and much quicker.
Art schools teaches you to become an art teacher or if you're unlucky a copy of some artist the school likes and that is sort of the same in music school.

Imo the technical knowledge and when to use it becomes a question of artistic
choices very quickly in the creative process and a school might get in the way of an understanding of that. That's certainly my experience.

[m8son666]

yeah those tutorials are shit imo and just lead to making bait generic wank

people who over think shit too much piss me off as well

just like asking questions about every fucking tiny detail...and getting waaaaaaay to technical about it. just listen to your tune ffs see what you think of it yourself - adjust accordingly

the production board pains me. its proper hard to read through lol

yh init what annoys me is when people chat all this fraff about all the techniques and science behind it and then you hear one of their tunes and it might be goodish but the way they talk it should be fucking multi platinum.

just fiddle with things until a sound you like appears imo

[wolf89]

Doing my degree I 100% learned a lot of things I'm glad I did that I wouldn't have on my own at all.

[m8son666]

what degree did you do? do you do a job now that you couldn't have done without the degree?

[RKM]

i actually agree with you wolf, i was joking, my ideal job would be to be in a band and tour, not with the aim of getting rich but just to earn a living and make good music

[m8son666]

How the fuck are people so ignorant to quite how expensive getting good quality music out to the world really is?

yeah but what's that got to do with how much warm up djs are being paid?

[wolf89]

what degree did you do? do you do a job now that you couldn't have done without the degree?

Why would it matter?

Degrees shouldn't just be viewed as a fucking job factory otherwise a lot of human knowledge would be lost for the purpose of getting people work in an office somewhere.

Besides, I'm doing an internship at a recording studio and record label at the moment which I don't think I could have got into if I'd been completely inexperienced and without the degree. It doesn't really make money so I'm doing crew work for massive live shows but still, it's a step in the right direction.

[wolf89]

How the fuck are people so ignorant to quite how expensive getting good quality music out to the world really is?

yeah but what's that got to do with how much warm up djs are being paid?

Because Hubb said all music should be a hobby and not for money. Ignoring the entire reality of how any music you guys listen to on here has got to you.

[SignalRecon]

Kidshuffle imo.

Also, everyone is a clublandlv EJ with Traktor, as a producer I dont really care if they dont get paid to play the shit they steal. Producers get 0 exposure from DJ's because DJ's have vested interest in obfuscating their tracklist from other DJ's and the crowd. Producing for free is about a 2-3 year commitment before you're even relevant and 2000$ for gear before software IF you use your moms laptop (completely ignoring the amount time/work required for a passable track) and 99c is too much for these scrubs with a torrented version of Traktor = 0 fucks given.

[m8son666]

Why would it matter?

Degrees shouldn't just be viewed as a fucking job factory otherwise a lot of human knowledge would be lost for the purpose of getting people work in an office somewhere.

Besides, I'm doing an internship at a recording studio and record label at the moment which I don't think I could have got into if I'd been completely inexperienced and without the degree. It doesn't really make money so I'm doing crew work for massive live shows but still, it's a step in the right direction.

yeah that's fair enough and obviously people should do whatever they want, to me tho i would rather pay thousands of pounds to do a degree which will give a return on that investment while using my spare time to learn about music production. As opposed to spending thousands on learning something it would be more fun and easier to teach yourself. Obviously i am talking about music production degrees/courses the more technical side of things i agree it would probably be best to get a degree in.

[hubb]

How much music would sound like arse because it's made in shitty bedroom studios funded out of pocket and then not mastered properly because mastering houses wouldn't exist because they operate as a business?

Mastering is not that important in computer music.
The best rock albums where made in houses.
There's two sides to the commercialisation but the terms have to go in check with the creative side first and not the other way around.

But ofcourse what I'm posing is unrealistic and rose tinted, but I was trying to get people to consider the role promotion/entertainment has taken on top of just music. .