Best/Worst Pop Music of the Last 5 Years

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:48 pm

They're different genres.

Dubstep is also not folk.

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:51 pm

wub wrote:They're different genres.

Dubstep is also not folk.

Folk isn't a genre, it's an attribute.

Bob Dylan swayed from being folk to being an elitist tnuc... but he mainly made rock n roll and country or blues.

The "genre" of folk got invented in the 90s by people working in record shops that needed to compartmentalise everything in the fucking world.

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:53 pm

magma wrote:Folk isn't a genre, it's an attribute

It's both. You're talking about one, I'm talking about the other.

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:54 pm

Incidentally, Dylan had to go through exactly the same conversation when he decided it might be an idea to use amplified instruments.

Those people didn't understand Folk either, despite attending a Folk Festival.

Mike Skinner just a Judas really.

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:56 pm

wub wrote:
magma wrote:Folk isn't a genre, it's an attribute
It's both. You're talking about one, I'm talking about the other.

And my only reason for starting this tack a page or so ago was to try and express why it's moronic to call any genre "Folk". Mumford & Sons might belong to an extremely poorly named genre called "Folk" when they're sorted in HMV, but they're about as zeitgeist as Anne Frank and frankly this usage of the term can go fuck itself.

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:57 pm

Anne Frank isn't Grime.

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:58 pm

wub wrote:Anne Frank isn't Grime.

Only because they made her have a shower.

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:59 pm

magma wrote:
wub wrote:Anne Frank isn't Grime.
Only because they made her have a shower.

A holocaust joke, really?

And yet you kick off if someone gets called a tranny

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:06 pm

Err, yes. Obviously.

One is a tongue-in-cheek play on the word "Grime" who's only subject has been dead for 69 years intended to lighten the tone of a conversation that was getting a bit too serious. The other is an insidiously acceptable slur used to reduce living members of our society to a level that they can be sidelined and downtrodden by a society that still doesn't fully accept them as equally human.

I was trying to kiss and make up, but just fuck off if that's how you want to converse.

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:09 pm

J. Bryan Lowder wrote:Tranny, the highest-profile of these words, is both a slur and a term of endearment, a brand that can sting and a badge that can be worn with pride. And when some people cherish a word that others despise, who can be said to own it, to possess the authority to declare it fair or foul? It’s a vexing question, but one that we must consider, because the answer will go a long way in determining what the LGBTQ liberation movement—and liberation is the key word—looks like after gay marriage.

It's a shame there is such backward thinking in the world that still considers it solely as a slur. #WearWithPride.

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:10 pm

Oh, go and join a Mens Rights rally and be done with it. You'll be saying it's ok for white people to say nigger next.

Not all words are for all people.

Tranny is not a folk word.

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:12 pm

magma wrote:Oh, go and join a Mens Rights rally and be done with it. You'll be saying it's ok for white people to say nigger next.

Woah there.

You quoted Public Enemy a few pages back, and now this?

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:13 pm

Is all this aggro because you don't agree with my definition of folk?

I'm a bit confused if I'm honest.

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:14 pm

It's not Grime.

ehbes · Post by **ehbes** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:17 pm

magma wrote:You'll be saying it's ok for white people to say nigger next.

words only have as much power as you give them

magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:21 pm

ehbes wrote:
magma wrote:You'll be saying it's ok for white people to say nigger next.
words only have as much power as you give them

I bet your friends call you Mariana Trench, huh?

wub · Post by **wub** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:22 pm

magma wrote:
ehbes wrote:
magma wrote:You'll be saying it's ok for white people to say nigger next.
words only have as much power as you give them
I bet your friends call you Mariana Trench, huh?

Because he's so deep! hahaha.

ehbes · Post by **ehbes** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:22 pm

magma wrote:
ehbes wrote:
magma wrote:You'll be saying it's ok for white people to say nigger next.
words only have as much power as you give them
I bet your friends call you Mariana Trench, huh?

nope, just bald

jrkhnds · Post by **jrkhnds** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:24 pm

good job ruining this thread.

I know it's 13 years old but I haven't listened to pop music in the last 5 years so this is the only contribution I could come up with.
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magma · Post by **magma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:25 pm

I am genuinely a bit confused here. Have I honestly pissed you off by making an Anne Frank joke, wub? If so, I'm genuinely sorry. I didn't realise people were still sensitive about that. I'll happily check myself.

Either way, we were having a typically fiery conversation about music and suddenly you've got extremely serious and tbh, pretty insulting... which is a surprise from you. I think I'm going to politely fuck off in this direction and maybe come back tomorrow.

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