CONTRACTS...

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:28 pm

...both between label/artist...

...and beween artist/collaborators (MCs, Vocalists, session musicians etc).

Anyone point me in the direction of examples that r valid for the uk? preferably free (funnily enuf).

googling just produced a load of sites selling US contracts.

or if any1 can email me s'thing then even better. pm me. thanks

safe

cryptic · Post by **cryptic** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:34 am

Unless its a massive deal, i wouldn't bother, i always deal with verbal contracts!

They do you over, you send the boys down lol

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:44 am

yeah, but what if I do THEM over?

an anyway, its all cool while u underground and makin zero profit - no one will bother u - but what happens if a tune makes it big, or gets used on a film soundtrack? or in 20 yrs or something when it becomes a classic like beltram's energy flash, or a guy called gerald's voodoo ray?

You dont need the bloke who played the triangle on the intro 2 come crawling out the woodwork billing u 4 yr entire pension fund.

need 2 b thinking a bit more long term than that

3rdeye · Post by **3rdeye** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:51 am

Battle Gong wrote: You dont need the bloke who played the triangle on the intro 2 come crawling out the woodwork billing u 4 yr entire pension fund.

definitely something to consider!

i did some work on music industry contracts at Uni, think i may still have some example contracty-type things in my old notes, will have a look for them

auan · Post by **auan** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:54 am

There's a whole article on them in either Computer Music, Future Music or Sound on Sound in recent months. Pain in the arse to google but I'll dig the article out for you when I'm home. If it's SoS, it's on the website for free by now. You gotta pay 99p i think for the other two for an article in pdf. Whores.

Will let you know.

future producer · Post by **future producer** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:06 pm

Here we go bro, hope it helps, some good info for you.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep00/a ... /music.htm

auan · Post by **auan** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:10 pm

Safe mate. From Sept 2000, though, this was the one I meant.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/a ... tracts.htm

Lots of the same info though, looks like a rewrite. Wouldn't bother buying it.

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:33 pm

thanks guys

after like 50 views of the thread but zero replies i was thinkin this was going nowhere.

sound on sound article was interesting, and cleared up some of the confusion. thanks.

but what i'm really looking 4 is actual contracts to download or something. aint got cash 4 lawyers, despite that being almost stated as essential in the article, but need some kind of legal document between me and MCs etc. has no one on here got anything like that? i know most dubstep is instrumental, but someone mustve signed something with someone...no?

escapee planes · Post by **escapee planes** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:53 pm

Try asking a musician that uses vocalists, by contacting them through their web site or email. They don't necessarily hang out here.

chunkie · Post by **chunkie** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:37 pm

join an association, the UK's biggest (4,500 members) is

http://www.ism.org/home.php

they give you free legal representation, free legal cover up to £10million etc so i'm sure hooking you up with a draft/ample contract wont kill em!

edit - just found out its £130per year for full membership but includes legal representation and a 24hr legal and tax advice line, all on the site

somejerk · Post by **somejerk** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:48 pm

Battle Gong wrote:You dont need the bloke who played the triangle on the intro 2 come crawling out the woodwork billing u 4 yr entire pension fund.t

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:26 pm

Escapee Planes wrote:Try asking a musician that uses vocalists, by contacting them through their web site or email. They don't necessarily hang out here.

intelligent suggestion. will do that.

and chunkie, thanks for the link, but it looking seriously, er, serious that organisation. for like concert pianists and shit...

...not for clowns like me that dont know their arse from their oboe.

damn.

the duke · Post by **the duke** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:42 pm

when it gets to the stage that contracts are serious..a lawyer will creep up, and offer his services for "free"...emphasis on "free", p.s. lawyers never work for free

MARCHMELLOW · Post by **MARCHMELLOW** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:33 pm

buy a book, ther has to be some study material available for this type of thing, i covered it vaguely at music college. we had some examples and things too look out for....unfortunately on bonfire night.... this material was ...well you guess the rest ( my faith in a career in music wasn't really helped by going to college ! )

i have just got a contract in the post for a remix i have done thats being released. looks pretty complicated.

auan · Post by **auan** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:51 pm

The Duke wrote:when it gets to the stage that contracts are serious..a lawyer will creep up, and offer his services for "free"...emphasis on "free", p.s. lawyers never work for free

What, he'll do it for sexual favours?

chunkie · Post by **chunkie** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:54 pm

Auan wrote:
The Duke wrote:when it gets to the stage that contracts are serious..a lawyer will creep up, and offer his services for "free"...emphasis on "free", p.s. lawyers never work for free
What, he'll do it for sexual favours?

i got a couple of mates who are lawyers

short answer - yes

the duke · Post by **the duke** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:06 pm

yep blowjob, and to get a chunk percentage of your first album advance..

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:28 pm

gaston_UK wrote:
i have just got a contract in the post for a remix i have done thats being released. looks pretty complicated.

U reckon changing a few words here and there might b enuf 2 turn it into a regular artist/label contract? Or is it too remix-specific?

whats the chance of u scanning an emailing me a copy? With whatever personal details blanked out naturally.

Go on, pleeease, b yr best mate an that. PM if possible. But only if its not major grief.

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:36 pm

sorry 2 drag this pee-stinking, toothless OAP of a thread from out its retirement hospice, but i still got nowhere with this...

...anyone else got any ideas?

slva · Post by **slva** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:24 pm

EZ,
What about one of these? A non exclusive licensing agreement?
I've got a template of one of those I could send you as word .doc if you want, pm me your email address if so. basically it says you are the owner of said music and that you agree to let someone release your tune for certain territories within a time frame, however you are free to release the same music elsewhere if you wish. you license the (non exclusive) rights to them for a stated time period. Usually it is the company interested in you, that has to sort this out 'for you' not the other way round. so you should still see a lawyer before you agree to anything really IMHO. hope it may help tho.

CONTRACTS...

CONTRACTS...

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