Burial - Untrue - The apocalypse?

[shonky]

i think the thing is we have to make LOTS of new things, lots of people pushing it, so things cant be defined

Always a good idea, but it might be the definable characteristics that are attracting newcomers, not the experimentation and range of influences. Seemed that the pioneers were looking to make their own sound and those that follow may not have that instinct.

I talked about people making the divide between Wobbla/Hectic and Deep/Dark styles

this could kill the scene as we know it if nothing else

Seeing as I'm not a fan of either of those dubsteps you mention I think it might make me more enthusiastic about the genre. Deep hectic would be cool though. This to me points out where the scene's fucking up, there should be plenty of different flavours rather than the two you mention. The preponderance of those I thought should be reason enough to try something a bit different

[parson]

needs more conspiracy step

[sybian]

To be honest, a lot of what I consider to be negative impact has already been done, there's already a lot of producers taking the blueprint of old Skream and Coki tunes and coming into the scene with the idea that dubstep IS halfstep wobble and that to me is already reducing the possibilities that were there a few years back.

Same thinking here...

I wanted to open a similar thread cpl of days ago...

[slothrop]

I wanted to open a similar thread cpl of days ago...

Has it really been more than a couple of days since we had a similar thread?

Er, but to add something to what Shonky said, I think it has a lot to do with the audiences as well as the producers. It kind of stands to reason (massive generalization ahoy) that if a scene is comparatively new and little-known and fast moving, then a lot of the people getting into it are going to be the sort of people who like to hear something really different every time they go out. Whereas people who've taken a while to get their heads around the style might prefer more predictable sounds when they go out. And that drives what the DJ's and producers are doing. Although you then get a chicken / egg argument as to whether the genre getting rigid helps people with more conservative tastes to get into it or vice-versa.

edit: this is obviously a big generalization. I don't want to start with 'I was in the scene before you therefore my opinions count for more than yours' type bullshit.

[nttbeats]

it's pretty simple. Dubstep is growing. More producers are making it.
Some of the producers heard a specific sound that pulled them in so they will replicate that. Some of these sounds work better on a dancefloor so that will get more focus.

After some time it will seem unbalanced because now you have more people involved, including the fly by night producers cranking out music based on formula. As possibility for profit increases, the incentive for creativity decreases. This is due to the lowest common denominator factor that is prevalent in all popular music.

The simpler it is, the more easier it is to digest and like. This means more people will accept it. More people means more money and that means more wobble and simple 2 step beats. heh.

[efa]

Pinch released an album today, he didn't get god knows how many threads on the subject. If this forums a barometer for whats should and shouldn't be hyped then Burial's getting all the limelight he deserves out there.

(I rarely do hype threads so don't expect one form me but its a good album IMHO)

[LEQ]

Pinch released an album today, he didn't get god knows how many threads on the subject. If this forums a barometer for whats should and shouldn't be hyped then Burial's getting all the limelight he deserves out there.

(I rarely do hype threads so don't expect one form me but its a good album IMHO)

I'd like to add that the Pinch album is farking wicked.

[rekordah]

Petty elitism in this thread.

Where? just read the whole thing and i really dont see any of the above...

[dubplate]

Just listened to Untrue, the album shows the ever widening gap between two types of dubstep. Chill out dubstep like burial and more upbeat rave dubstep like the new rusko tunes . The two types need to be outlined and should not get confused and lead people to say stuff like "all dubstep is so boring and slow" which people do say quite alot.

good album though

[batfink]

offtopic a bit: with the vinyl version, has anyone noticed a nasty treble fizz/hiss in their right speaker? its really noticeable on homeless and on a brief listen it seems to go on and off in keeping with the bassline. the mp3 version on bleep doesn't have it and just sounds far less messy. on first listen to the vinyl version i couldnt work out why homeless sounded so different but i think its the hiss.......

i changed my needles recently, all set up proper. tried swapping to different deck, phono amp etc etc too. im gonna try listening to all the other tracks and see if they have it too.

still, quality album. bring on the apocalypse.

[samzail]

All subgenres end up getting raped by the mainstream in the attempt to cash in, but the proper musicians amongst the scene will always make incredible music which challenges any tnuc-in-a-suit major label bosses' agenda, and so it should!

Anything which allows the music to get out to more ears without compromise is a positive thing to me so i'm happy burial is being given ultra praise even if its been cringe-worthy in journalistic terms.

[b-lam]

Just listened to Untrue, the album shows the ever widening gap between two types of dubstep. Chill out dubstep like burial and more upbeat rave dubstep like the new rusko tunes . The two types need to be outlined and should not get confused and lead people to say stuff like "all dubstep is so boring and slow" which people do say quite alot.

good album though

nah fuck subgenres within subgenres, dubstep is dubstep

album is sick tho i'll agree with u there

[efa]

People have argued that Burial isn't Dubstep, if not what is it and why are we discussing it in so much depth here?

For me whenever I listen to Burial I think Dubstep despite the blatant UKG references. Poss to do with the slow brooding basslines and darkness.

[westernsynthetics]

Petty elitism in this thread.

Where? just read the whole thing and i really dont see any of the above...

just the whole scenester thing...the whole idea that Dubstep is only for people who know about it and that it should not be promoted...that is elitist.

[slothrop]

Just listened to Untrue, the album shows the ever widening gap between two types of dubstep. Chill out dubstep like burial and more upbeat rave dubstep like the new rusko tunes . The two types need to be outlined and should not get confused and lead people to say stuff like "all dubstep is so boring and slow" which people do say quite alot.:

To be honest, a lot of people complain about some of the big halfstep anthems being boring and slow and stuff like (eg) Burial's garagey stuff for being a bit more upbeat and slinky. So now you need four classifications - ravey and fast, ravey and slow, deep and fast, deep and slow. But what about stuff that's deep and fast and happy vs stuff that's deep and fast and emo. Bugger, that's another couple of subdivisions.

So imo it's best not to bother.

Also, maybe both sides of dubstep - the ravey side and the deep side - keep each other anchored, so the ravey stuff doesn't just turn into progressive house and the deep stuff doesn't wander off into coffee table noodling. Like yin and yang, innit.

[masstronaut]

Promoters and labels need to keep putting together diverse lineups and releases. Especially now that things have grown to the point where DJs and producers have started demarking territory within 'dubstep' - just as dubstep itself started out with DJs and producers creating the sound from within other areas.

Promoters and labels - it's up to you!

Wishful thinking huh?

[capro]

read about 10 lines in to the first post and fuck that sorry

the thing dubstep had or has going for it's abolishment of formula and the enthusiastic melding of all stlyes that come before it. like when jungle was hot and like when hip hop was hot.

not bothering to conform is what makes it what it is, and Untrue is one of the greatest albums ever made. it should be the pride of anyone really in this.

[kirk]

This is a very interesting topic ash.
Its defonatly true that the scene is seeing more and more media attention and more and more people are getting into it.This will mean that people who are not truely into the sound will start jumping on it just because its the "latest craze".I remember trying to talk to people about dubstep a couple of years back and all you would get is "its too slow","its not in time" no one wanted to know,and now a lot of these people are going on like its the best thing since sliced bread.

Obviously the scene is going to evolve and it'll never be like it used to be but i believe that we can keep it from taking the same route as drum and bass.
As long as were billin tunes that are true to ourselves and not rippin a next man off i reckon it'll all be good.
The main thing at the end of the day is the vibe and id say that judging the last few dances ive been too it defonatly has'nt gone anywere.

[kirk]

Petty elitism in this thread.

Where? just read the whole thing and i really dont see any of the above...

just the whole scenester thing...the whole idea that Dubstep is only for people who know about it and that it should not be promoted...that is elitist.

Nobody is saying it shouldnt be promoted just that is getting bigger and bigger and we dont want it to lose its routes and sell out like other musics have.

[thesis]

I've only been into dubstep for about a year, but in the last 6 months I've noticed a change in vibe at events I've been to. Maybe its just coincidence. But I seem to notice a lot more of a 'nightclub' atmosphere... more people are like 'look at me, I'm a dubstepper'.... and more people who are just there to get pissed and play up. Not complaining, because more people in the door is good for the scene.

But I do prefer the 'eyes down, skankin in the dark' vibe!

Anyone else noticed this?