Untrue - your thoughts

[ufo over easy]

isn't it just that discussing it is fine, but doing it on a big message board is the equivalent of chatting about it with a prosecution-happy record executive lurking in the background, counting his monies

chat about it with buddies in real life for sure. if you have any. no harm in that.

[safetyboy]

its a good album.

[efa]

Threads descending into this is beginning to cheapen things for me, I'm not gonna be around as much, seen!

[safetyboy]

pieter k samples in shell of light

[xor]

our interests are to help out the labels in this scene and not play sherlock holmes in minutiae about every detail and every tune.

apparently the fourm line is ... only say things postive (in the interest of the labels) and dont discuss songs in depth, just say " this is great" and leave it at that, ok.

Seems silly to come to dubstepforum and want to discuss the minutiae of dubstep music doesnt it.

and then to call people cunty for discussing an album they bought, and liked!! ridiculous.

shout to the missing the point completely crew....

Can you not see the point that if Hyperdub didn't want people to discuss the source of the samples, they should've cleared or dropped them? And are they that crucial to the magic of the lp? I don't think so.

i'm sure its not that they dont want people discuss it, that's a silly assumption. but what does revealing the sample sources do. its not actually that interesting.

and when it could cause trouble for someone who's done so much to put a spotlight on the 'scene', and given us some great music in the process, its akin to shooting yourself in the face.

there are many more facets of the albums musicality to discuss before you have to resort to trainspotting.

My point is, it is not our responsibility to protect a label, it's theirs. They're the ones making money out of it after all.

I, personally wouldn't ever reveal someone's sample sources, but also, I wouldn't ever stop someone talking about it. That's ridiculous.

[contakt]

My point is, it is not our responsibility to protect a label, it's theirs. They're the ones making money out of it after all.

I, personally wouldn't ever reveal someone's sample sources, but also, I wouldn't ever stop someone talking about it. That's ridiculous.

I would agree with what you are saying if we were not talking about dubstep.

The fact is, it is a small scene. Building it up to the point it is at now has taken a lot of hard work and dedication. I don't think anyone involved is in it for the money.

I think dubstep is still small enough for it to be valid to talk about it being all our responsibility. Hyperdub and other labels are still very close to the 'fans' - indeed, one thing I love about the scene is there doesn't really seem to be a distinction between those involved in making and pushing the sound and those involved in buying the music and going to the nights. They are often the same people.

Talking openly about samples on a forum is dangerous for the reasons already given on this thread. Nobody is stopping anyone from 'talking about it' - they are stopping someone from committing to permanent record something which could threaten Hyperdub, Burial and the whole scene. I think that's fair enough.

[7"]

hyperdub for the thread.

[quietmouse]

this thread has become hyperdumb

[contakt]

this thread has become hyperdumb

Boom-tsh.

[schamotnik]

I'm not sure if you're allowed to post this or even if it has been posted but...

Archangel samples ________ and Untrue samples ________. Maybe people would find that interesting, dunno.

About the album, it hasn't left my cd player in 2 days...going on 3.

NOOOOOooooooooo! Don't tell us what the samples are! I so didn't want to know that.

I want to know what samples he's used. NOW

ME TOO!! can anyone pm me please??

[xor]

My point is, it is not our responsibility to protect a label, it's theirs. They're the ones making money out of it after all.

I, personally wouldn't ever reveal someone's sample sources, but also, I wouldn't ever stop someone talking about it. That's ridiculous.

I would agree with what you are saying if we were not talking about dubstep.

The fact is, it is a small scene. Building it up to the point it is at now has taken a lot of hard work and dedication. I don't think anyone involved is in it for the money.

I think dubstep is still small enough for it to be valid to talk about it being all our responsibility. Hyperdub and other labels are still very close to the 'fans' - indeed, one thing I love about the scene is there doesn't really seem to be a distinction between those involved in making and pushing the sound and those involved in buying the music and going to the nights. They are often the same people.

Talking openly about samples on a forum is dangerous for the reasons already given on this thread. Nobody is stopping anyone from 'talking about it' - they are stopping someone from committing to permanent record something which could threaten Hyperdub, Burial and the whole scene. I think that's fair enough.

Well, sure, none of us do it for the money, but for Hyperdub, a certain amount has accrued whether they wanted it or not. And money has a scent...

I think there has to be an acceptance that dubstep, as far as Burial is concerned, has lifted it's head out of the trenches, it's there to be seen now...biggish sales, broadsheet and other mainstream press coverage, Bloc Party remixes for God's sake. Dubstep, in this respect, is now in the firing line, it has to grow-up and be responsible and to leave itself open to litigation is only a regressive thing to do.

My mate runs a small but very successful label and he released a record with an uncleared sample on. It got played on Radio1 and within weeks he was sent a solicitor's letter telling him to recall every record from the distro. Cost a lot of money and time and pain. How is that useful to anyone?

But hey, dubstep is underground, so we're safe.

[contakt]

But hey, dubstep is underground, so we're safe.

That's not what I said.

I don't think it is up to us to make assumptions about Hyperdub and the state of its finances.

I just think that as a scene we need to protect our own.

Agree to disagree eh?

[seckle]

i'm going to get a happy meal for lunch and listen to burial in mcdonalds on repeat. who's with me?

[quietmouse]

i'm going to get a happy meal for lunch and listen to burial in mcdonalds on repeat. who's with me?

the guy behind the counter is burial

[batfink]

My mate runs a small but very successful label and he released a record with an uncleared sample on. It got played on Radio1 and within weeks he was sent a solicitor's letter telling him to recall every record from the distro. Cost a lot of money and time and pain. How is that useful to anyone?

Its not. That's just really bad luck.

how would he have felt if some twonk on here revealed the sample source though?

[darkmatter]

Thank fuck Burial spent his time making music, rather than spending hours worrying about a vast array of moral factors to do with the ethics of sampling.

[seckle]

shout out to all the detectives and case crackers. no time to waste. must get to the bottom of things and all that...

[seckle]

~~~that bloody burial..he won't get away with this....~

[seckle]

[7"]

shout to the moral principles priests and for the straight ethic and moral followed by some people, for judging people on causing such a tragedy, revealing the holy grail.



amen