FWD>> 7th Birthday

[jaykay]

The wastemen pushing in and braggin about in on here? where the fuck have you been... The one thing i have always enjoyed about dubstep nights is that there is no beef... the good vibes and unity of this forum also happens at the dances and to see all this get fucked off cos of this "i'm getting in fuck everyone else" attitude sucks... Half these wankers probably didn't even know what night it was... I had the displeasue of waiting next to a load of complete morons that didn't even know what they we waiting for... they then decided to start pushing their way through the que... absolute stnuc ... If these vibes are brought into the dance this will have a negative effect on the music, people attending, nights progressing and the 'scene' on a whole...

Pretty much these comments.
Just to my add two-pence I actually got in and once inside thought it was pretty good. The venue was quality - really grimy warehouse feel to it, and the size was fine really - no bigger than the main room at DMZ anyway.
However was shocked when they turned the lights on at 3 - i'd only been in the place about 1 and 30 mins

The real irritating thing is some of the crowd - plenty of people were cool but others definately were not - from a combination of the worst trendy Shoreditch types to others displaying a disrespectful and childish attitude towards others... sort of thing you might associate more with certain dnb nights that dubstep.
Dont really know what to say about this - maybe it's just a factor when too much hype is attached to a certain scene (advertised in the London Paper/Metro/Lite/Guardian/ etc doesnt help) - all I know is you barely saw any of these chumps in Dubstep some 4/3 (even 2 years) ago yet suddenly there pretty commonplace - as the attitudes on this thread alone prove.
Maybe this type of media-exposure is the worst thing that can happen to nights like Fwd.
The solution: Bring Fwd back to a Thursday night.

[mos dan]

sort of thing you might associate more with certain dnb nights that dubstep.
Dont really know what to say about this - maybe it's just a factor when too much hype is attached to a certain scene (advertised in the London Paper/Metro/Lite/Guardian/ etc doesnt help) - all I know is you barely saw any of these chumps in Dubstep some 4/3 (even 2 years) ago yet suddenly there pretty commonplace - as the attitudes on this thread alone prove.
Maybe this type of media-exposure is the worst thing that can happen to nights like Fwd.

the thing is though, t2's 'heartbroken' is ubiquitous right now, bassline is suddenly being discovered/hyped in london, and chantelle fiddy's london paper column last week focused on dirty canvas and t2 (who was headlining), so by this logic dirty canvas on friday should have been packed with wankers, but it wasn't. at all.

basically if you want a stress-free, trouble-free night with no aggro, come to a grime night.

lol.

[letitia]

The solution: Bring Fwd back to a Thursday night.

or support some of the small non-profit nights that are still having trouble filling despite stupidly low prices and wicked & varied lineups?

[osk]

bring FWD back to Thursday?

Inspired.

[Whistla]

or support some of the small non-profit nights that are still having trouble filling despite stupidly low prices and wicked & varied lineups?

this is what needs to be done!

all these ideas how to make fwd "how it was" etc smacks to me of flogging a dead horse

and still no apology from them i see?

hmmm

you wudnt get this kinda treatment from Platform 1

[powerpill]

to be honest i got in with not much trouble and had a good night except for missing kode9 due to not even realising his set had started!

I thought the lack of a decent mc throughout the whole night was not good though to be honest, its one of the things i like to hear especially at an event like that.

And to all the people saying that fwd is dead etc. you are taking this a bit too seriously to be honest. its depressing to read you all whining. the night was a bit of a shambles but be glad that these things are put on at all!

[eventualdecline]

And to all the people saying that fwd is dead etc. you are taking this a bit too seriously to be honest. its depressing to read you all whining. the night was a bit of a shambles but be glad that these things are put on at all!

Why do people have to be thankful for getting ripped off? There's plenty of do it yourself types in the scene that are providing alternatives as seen by the number of people to left the queue at fwd and went to Dirty Canvas.

This is probably the attitude taken by FWD and hence no apology. That's pretty disrespectful, maybe time for a boycott? Again, there's plenty of other dubstep nights being hosted by people who have their act together.

On a positive note: much respect to all the dubstep djs lately. I've seen a lot of stupid antics from mashed up ravers lately(beer on the dubplate, slapping the table repeatedly to make the record skips, etc...) and the djs have amazingly taken it in stride and pulled off wicked sets... so respect to the people like Distance, Skream, etc...

[thinking]

The solution: Bring Fwd back to a Thursday night.

or support some of the small non-profit nights that are still having trouble filling despite stupidly low prices and wicked & varied lineups?

just what I was gonna say, Platform 1 is on a Thurs and absolutely smacks it.

[jaykay]

The solution: Bring Fwd back to a Thursday night.

or support some of the small non-profit nights that are still having trouble filling despite stupidly low prices and wicked & varied lineups?

True true I was just joking really anyway (sort of), same trouble with any scene though isn't it. DnB certainly does have this problem... anyway I dont want to whinge too much as I did have a good time at Fwd despite a few moans.

bring FWD back to Thursday?

Inspired.

lol sarcasm?

[jaykay]

just what I was gonna say, Platform 1 is on a Thurs and absolutely smacks it.

I know man I have been to Platform 1 a few times and it does fill that Thursday night gap well.

[fc]

shouts to fellow queue sufferers jason bracket and faye and the scottish guy on his last big night out before he left the country...
to all the other queuers
and to the couple splittin up behind us keepin us entertained

word!
i second that farrah - i don't mind abit of rough n tumble but if you're 5 foot-ish that crowd felt like bloody hillsborough - the girl-bashing crew can FUCK RIGHT OFF!!
The thing that pissed me off most about the whole night was not getting a refund on drink tokens when they ran out of booze...the rest of the issues can be put down to bad planning/organisation but that was BANG out of order

[stormfield]

just what I was gonna say, Platform 1 is on a Thurs and absolutely smacks it.

big up Platform 1!

[ed g]

Just been on the FWD> site. There's a message up there concerning Friday. Not sure if they intend to post it here themselves...but here you go...

(I have nothing to do with FWD> and wasn't even at the event, this is literally a cut and paste job.)

Taken from http://www.ilovefwd.com/index.html

NOTICE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAD PROBLEMS OUTSIDE ON FRIDAY 23 NOVEMBER
from Plastic People and FWD>>

Thanks very much for coming, sorry about the mess, please note Plastic had a night at the same venue organised in the same way with the same amount of ticket buyers on Saturday which passed off very well because it was a different crowd with a totally different mentally

We want to make two points.

1) we were not allowed to put a barrier on the pavement to control the line because the police were worried as a temporary event this will push pedestrians off the pavement into the street.

2) there were a bunch of people that showed up on the pavement without tickets who were just there to cause trouble. A significant majority of non ticket holders that showed for FWD>> behaved totally unreasonable to fellow human beings - throwing bottles, elbowing, and crushing people. Please note that door supervisors have no right to stop people from standing on a public pavement, they have limited powers on the street so once they tell non tickets holders 'you can't come in' and the people just stand there, only the police can then tell them to move off, you are not allowed to physically remove someone from the pavement. After the bottle throwing incident on the ticket holders line we then had to set up a video recording of the door from the other side of the street and then tell the non tickets holders of the CCTV recording and this brought a safer and more secure response from the non ticket holder. This slowed the getting in down but we had to do it for public safety, at this stage a second door was then opened for the tickets holders alone and we then managed to get people in faster using the two doors. We had to let some cash payers in before the ticket holders as we needed to physically clear the entrance in order to let the ticket holders pass - they were being forced against the entrance, there was no other way to clear them. Once we had checked and double checked that there were no more people with tickets we shut the door.

Again we're sorry you had a bad night but you have to understand we organise these things with a level of expectation that the people that come will have a certain level of civil behaviour and a significant number of people (non ticket holders) did not have this, we assure you this will not happen again because there is no point in organising a night that attract a crowd of people that intend to 'rush the door' or start throwing bottles. We can't plan for this mentality, we will just not do a night in the first place, I mean 6ft guys stepping on girls intentionally we'll just totally avoid it like the plague. The Police and council insisted we stop at 3AM.

Our intention was to create an amazing atmosphere in a memorable environment with a state of the art sound system to celebrate the energy that FWD>> and it's punters have uniquely created over the years. For some ravers I think we succeeded.

We have a list of all ticket buyers; your names will be on the door at Plastic People and you can get in free (as long as you get there before midnight) any Friday in December and Janaury.

[d_three]

Taken from http://www.ilovefwd.com/index.html

We have a list of all ticket buyers; your names will be on the door at Plastic People and you can get in free (as long as you get there before midnight) any Friday in December and Janaury.

bargain for £10 paying in advance

[stanton]

If they'd started letting people in when they were supposed to then people wouldn't have got so pissed off! Why did they bother announcing all week that people should get there early (10 O'clock) if they weren't going to let anyone in until midnight! An utter shambles. 2 security guards for 100 people! I was speaking to someone inside during the time we were all queuing outside and they said they were basically running behind schedule. Why not announce it and let people know what's going on? It's all very well saying that people behaved badly and I do not condone the despicable behaviour of some UTTER TWATS in the scrum outside the door, but its a bloody rave in a warehouse on a Friday night! People are drunk, drugged, idiots, shit like that just happens at these things if there isn't adequate security and if you give people reason to get annoyed, such as making them queue in the cold for 2 hours or more when you've told them to get down there early... Its not on, but it happens.

[dubluke]

thought it was a bit of a joke queueing for half and hour to be told "yeah its 20 seconds down the road", but i pretty much agree with all stanton said, people act VERY differently when they are drunk, often turning normally bare safe people into dickheads, which probably explains a lot of the loutish behaviour out there, but that should have been forseen by the organisers, i know they haven't got street powers and weren't allowed a barrier but they could have just walked up and down and made sure everything was in order, at the end and stuff they have that even if no barriers, just people walking along making sure no one is startin beef

but yeah pretty much what stanton said X2 from me

also at least they apologised if somewhat late

[harlesden]

it is only two days afterwards

[dubluke]

true

but i'm a child of 90's so naturally impatient and ritalined up

GRAAAAAAAH SO MUCH ENERGY

[allan]

people act VERY differently when they are drunk, often turning normally bare safe people into dickheads, which probably explains a lot of the loutish behaviour out there

I dont see how you can use that sort of comment to justify people being total and absolute stnuc... particularly if intimidating girls is part of their behaviour.
If people cant handle their drink to the exist that they turn into total morons, they shouldn't.
Isn't the whole point of going to good raves to be with people who are 'bare safe' and don't turn into total dickheads just cos they've had a few stellas???

Gutted this event didn't go to plan, sounds like the fault lies on many sides but cant condone idiots.

[dubluke]

people act VERY differently when they are drunk, often turning normally bare safe people into dickheads, which probably explains a lot of the loutish behaviour out there

I dont see how you can use that sort of comment to justify people being total and absolute stnuc... particularly if intimidating girls is part of their behaviour.
If people cant handle their drink to the exist that they turn into total morons, they shouldn't.
Isn't the whole point of going to good raves to be with people who are 'bare safe' and don't turn into total dickheads just cos they've had a few stellas???

Gutted this event didn't go to plan, sounds like the fault lies on many sides but cant condone idiots.

of course i'm not trying to justify their behaviour, why would i try and justify bottle throwing and fighting?? it was merely a possible explanation!! of course the point of going is to be with your mates and other nice people, that last thing i'd try and do is justify or condone the behaviour of a lot of that crowd