vegetarians...

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:02 pm

greenhouse gasses are CO2

cows release methane, which they think depletes the ozone
[edit: ok i read up and they are saying methane creates ozone and ozone causes global warming]

and here's what i read that is making me question the global warming thing
http://www.thoughtbombing.org/?p=7

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:04 pm

also morgan spurlock went to a "power house" of sorts that was a barn full of cows shitting. it collects the methane and converts it into electricity which powers a whole neighborhood

it was on his show 30 days

masstronaut · Post by **masstronaut** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:07 pm

Also it's balanced out by the amount of methane produced by vegetarians.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:13 pm

badger wrote:i don't think he's saying cows should be wiped out, but if there wasn't the insanely large (unnaturally large) population of cows needed for the meat industry the planet would be better. less methane so less greenhouse effect not to mention less deforestation needed for all the cattle to graze

Yep that's pretty much it. There is alos the issue of what would happen to the animals if they weren't slaughtered, as presumably they would still breed and still take up space (although I get the idea that a lot of "breeding" is done via IVF) - we eradicated all of our rival predators, so there would be nothing to keep the numbers down. Chickens would be killed by foxes or cats unless we put the effort into housing them and fencing them which let's face it is unlikely if there's no cash in the equation.

Personally I'm getting to the point where I might well try going fully veggie again, cause I totally see that it's kind of pointless where other sources of protein and nutrition can be found. The meat eating thing is mostly about survival in areas where vegetation is scarce or unsuitable for humans and is thus a source of nutrition where none other exists. In a world where we have choices though, the cruelty of it is almost entirely unnecessary and selfish. No-one is going to die from not eating meat.

And Parson, my friends are mostly pretty spot on about this stuff, one's actually done time for being beaten up by the cops whilst trying to disrupt a hunt (9 months). They're looking at points of view that will not be considered by most vegetarians and realise that some tough choices need to be made on an ecological level if the planet is to continue for all species. It's mostly a problem caused by the overbreeding of cattle for meat and the waste products involved.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:14 pm

Parson wrote:also morgan spurlock went to a "power house" of sorts that was a barn full of cows shitting. it collects the methane and converts it into electricity which powers a whole neighborhood

it was on his show 30 days

That was a pretty good show, it's a pretty good idea if we adopted it. They were saying similar things could be done with a lot of garbage too if I remember right.

parson · Post by **parson** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:16 pm

i am just saying that the greenhouse gasses scare might not be such a consideration if they are exposed to the info regarding the co2 cash-in and the rising temperature of the entire solar system

masstronaut · Post by **masstronaut** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:16 pm

Massive chunks of the Amazon rainforest are also being destroyed for soya production to feed beef cattle.

efa · Post by **efa** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:50 am

Joe C wrote:
EFA wrote:Sounds like some kind of Domoda, gwarn son!
if you do wanna go veggie at any point, hit me up, ive been veggie for time and ill give you the hints and tips for the good shit in town!

Mate I was off meat completely for a year or more, I love places like the Alley Cafe etc still. Would be up for doing food though, scafe!

junglisthybrid · Post by **junglisthybrid** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:41 am

i'm veggie & my fav' meal would have to be grilled cheese (usually muenster on a good whole grain bread with earth balance, pesto, avocado, tomato, garlic salt, & gomasio).

mmm...great, now i've got the munchies.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:42 am

cigarettes.

junglisthybrid · Post by **junglisthybrid** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:44 am

^^

I gave up on giving my $ to that "Machine" a while ago...

efa · Post by **efa** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:53 am

Parson & Shonky have raised some internal dialogue about the ethics of veggies - how many veggies eat Chickens Eggs, Cows Milk, Butter and Cheese (rennet free of course) etc and what are their thoughts on animals being farmed for such produce and why is this different from animals being farmed in a free range way for their meat?

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:01 am

its all slavery

one form ends in murder

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:02 am

buying socks is slavery as well

its pretty much impossible to do anything without endorsing slavery and or murder

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:03 am

well free range chicken eggs is pretty ok though i think.

chickens don't need much to be free and happy.

efa · Post by **efa** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:04 am

U know a few chickens well then? I'm sure Grazing Cows etc are happy too then no?

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:05 am

grazing cows are probably fairly happy i do reckon.

the ones kept in pens attached to machines are the ones i feel for.

also the ones being slaughtered in the slaughterhouses

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:08 am

in rainer werner fassbinder's film in a year with 13 moons there is an extended scene inside a slaughter house and you get to see this cow get its throat slit and its hanging from its feet and is gushing blood out its throat and is screaming and screaming in terror and desperation as ift flings around dying slowly.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:09 am

don't be afraid of your own capacity for empathy. you should watch this movie:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3661048967

EARTHLINGS is a feature length documentary about humanity's absolute dependence on animals (for pets, food, clothing, entertainment, and ... all » scientific research) but also illustrates our complete disrespect for these so-called "non-human providers." The film is narrated by Academy Award nominee Joaquin Phoenix (GLADIATOR) and features music by the critically acclaimed platinum artist Moby.

With an in-depth study into pet stores, puppy mills and animals shelters, as well as factory farms, the leather and fur trades, sports and entertainment industries, and finally the medical and scientific profession, EARTHLINGS uses hidden cameras and never before seen footage to chronicle the day-to-day practices of some of the largest industries in the world, all of which rely entirely on animals for profit. Powerful, informative and thought-provoking, EARTHLINGS is by far the most comprehensive documentary ever produced on the correlation between nature, animals, and human economic interests. There are many worthy animal rights films available, but this one transcends the setting. EARTHLINGS cries to be seen. Highly recommended!

efa · Post by **efa** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:34 am

I'm not, seeing a slaughter of a free range Pig & a chicken on a UK food show along with insights into the nasty side of cheap farming stopped me eating Meat altogether for more than a year. I still ate fish though so never been a full veggie. Will check the Doc, thanks.

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