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[oddfellow]

My biggest disapointment film wise recently was The Island. The book its based on, Spares by Michael Marshall Smith, is one of the greatest ever written (especially for Sci-Fi). If it had been faithfully adapted, or had even used some of the set pieces from the book it would have been classic. As it stands they paid millions for the rights for it then just used the 'clone' element of the book. Rubbish.....

[*grand*]

i like that film.. i wish i go to see what jupiter was like though.

[joseph-j]

i feel in recent years, a movies have become more about making money, most films that have had the potential for being good get dumbed down so that parents can take their children to the cinema.

when did the balance between quality and profit go out the window.

Innart.

for me, sci fi's just getting good again, it was thoroughly appalling in the 90s. exhibit a: my flatmate made me watch Demolition Man last night. good lord.

the last great old school sci fi flick was Total Recall. you're right tho, the money thing spoils it, especially as sfx takes centre stage for all the wrong reasons. nowadays its all crash-bang-wallop-in-yer-face without any creativity. back in the day, you were forced to be creative with what little you had.

.....and gattaca

emotionally and tonally flat until the last 20 minutes which is heartbreaking. massively underrated film.

[r4jb]

Well wasn't that the whole piont of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. He very well mihjt be a droid himself. And shouldn't it be up to the guy who wrote the book to confirm this, not some film director?

Totally ! PKD is surely the only one qualified to actually confirm or deny this ?!

[r4jb]

I would like to add Cypher to that list. Brilliant film, one of the best, most subtle visions of the future I've ever seen, sometimes you barely notice it's a sci-fi.

Agreed. Works particularly well in the cinema.

Funnily enough, i felt it was probably the closest representation of PKD's claustrophobic, bare nihilist vision of the future any film has ever come close to capturing. Ironically, its not even based on one of his books

[pk-]

.....and gattaca

god yes, what a film. i'm pretty sure i blubbed at the end the first time i saw it

never seen cypher but on the strength of all your comments i think i'll pick it up this weekend

My biggest disapointment film wise recently was The Island. The book its based on, Spares by Michael Marshall Smith, is one of the greatest ever written (especially for Sci-Fi). If it had been faithfully adapted, or had even used some of the set pieces from the book it would have been classic. As it stands they paid millions for the rights for it then just used the 'clone' element of the book. Rubbish.....

yeah, that was a complete let down. usual michael bay huge explosion wankathon business

[badger]

Primer is one of my all-time favourite films. It's superbly understated but maddeningly complicated at the same time.

I still don't entirely know how many of them are left at the end, which one it was doing the narration or even who had the upper hand for most of the film

only seen this once and it left me very confused. very good film but definitely one that warrants repeated viewings

[datura]

[quote="*Grand*"]
No i haven't i will check it out. i guess its probably the reason as to why i have been watching so much anime. quote]

What sort of things have you been checking?

I used to to be well into it a few years back and have watched the majority of the major series. I watched GITS SAC2 recently and that was great.

[*grand*]

up to date on my naruto.. and bleach other wise started watching fist of the north star and neoin..

[datura]

I would like to add Cypher to that list. Brilliant film, one of the best, most subtle visions of the future I've ever seen, sometimes you barely notice it's a sci-fi.

Agreed. Works particularly well in the cinema.

Yeah, excellent film. I think as well with Primer they had low budgets and concentrated on the story rather than throwing money at special effects.

Another film that kinds of fits this is Avalon - has anyone else watched it? It's a live action film by Mamoru Oshii (Ghost in the Shell) - well worth hunting down.

[shonky]

when did the balance between quality and profit go out the window.

As soon as people realised they can make more profit by selling shit.

[misk]

I have a real passion for science fiction.. it hasn't really been stimulated though in the 21st century, which is a real shame.

Dunno man, there's been plenty good sci-fi movies in the last few years. They're just different, more human, more plausible almost. Like we don't get the vast, grandiose universes or visions of the future created anymore like Star Wars, Blade Runner, Dune. We get films like Sunshine, Children of Men, A Scanner Darkly, then we get cool films that are nothing more than dramas with sci-fi elements, Donnie Darko, Primer, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

It's good, just different.

i know.. its just i don't consider that they are Sci Fi. its that Grand vision of the future that i consider Sci Fi.

and its that sort of vision that has been lacking in recent years. shame really. The old films would inspire when i was little.

hold tight the creativity that it instilled in me.

Dumb downed sci fi is what we don't need, films like Alien are good for your seed .. lo.. disregard that there!

What really worries me is that no one is making movies for older kids anymore, the kind of things like Dark Crystal, Never Ending Story, Labyrinth, stuff that's a bit scary for kids but on the whole harmless and just a bloody good story.

Apart from LOTR, I'm gonna be forced to bring my kids up on the same movies I was.

Not to hijack the thread or anything...

Check out MirrorMask by neil gaiman and dave mckean. really really cool movie for kids, and it's along that same line. Some of the computer animation is a little.. computery, but the visions of dave mckean are very unique, rather sinister, but still playful enough for children. definitely a good movie.

[metalboxproducts]

dubstep forum Movie club?

I'd be well up for this.

[*grand*]

yeah me to.

[misk]

good idea! we could just make a list in amazon.com or something...

[oddfellow]

Would anyone be up for doing a similar thing with books? Havent been reading much for a while but would like to get back into it.

[pk-]

i'd be well up for either a dubstep forum book or film club

[*grand*]

dubstep.. the ticket to broadening our horizons..

[pk-]

or both