jumping on the bandwagon

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:45 pm

GET IN THERE MY SON

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:06 pm

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasy, there!!!

You takin bets on this?

Fair point though, did start getting a bit history-lesson there, but when I first heard the Tempa and Ghost stuff way back in 2001, I liked it, played it out and got a good response to it.

It's changed a hell of a lot in five years, some changes I liked, some I didn't. Zinc and Hype were drum and bass, but both have done breakstep tunes which went down OK (fuckin bandwagon jumpers though, lol!!).

The guy's trying his hand at dubstep cause he likes the music. Seeing as dubstep's only been around five or six years, everyone's jumped from another music to get to this. Unless the toddler massive is getting good sharpish.

What are the boundaries of dubstep by the way just so that everyone knows what to make in future?

deadman dj · Post by **deadman dj** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:52 pm

Shonky wrote: What are the boundaries of dubstep by the way just so that everyone knows what to make in future?

lol

rjv · Post by **rjv** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:30 pm

nice attitude here. so i guess i should keep our tunes by ourselves, or at least not post them here. after all we're dnb/breaks producers and only jumping in the bandwagon.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:57 pm

No stick em up here - I was joking about zinc and hype - the more the merrier!

Dubstep wouldn't exist without Dnb's bass knowledge anyway

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:31 pm

Im on a joke ting. dont watch people

I like da tunes people post in here.

Search wrote:Big up anyone being creative.

4 Realos

ikarai · Post by **ikarai** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:48 pm

col wrote:WHATZ ALL THIS HATIN' ABOUT IN THE FORUM MAN?!! PISSES ME OFF!!!

WORD.

How someone can think they have a monopoly on this sound or the understanding of it befuddles me: large up the scene init, give the man some respect for havin a go. Jesus...

alan · Post by **alan** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:02 pm

falloutsoldier wrote:cheers for your replies

@ JJ I'm not jumping on a bandwagon with my sound, I'm just talking about how every D+B / Breaks etc producer just seems to be doing a dubstep thing right now. getmebruv

safeeeee

things like this piss me off.
every dnb/breaks producer is doing shit dubstep clone music and should fuck off and stop trying to rape this thing cause its the 'cool' music at the mo.

kion · Post by **kion** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:29 pm

wtf are you on about.

So does this mean that any new or experienced producer that gets inspired and intrigued by the music post 2005 doesn't have a right to make this bass womp ting anymore because it's not so underground as it was (even though it's deep under the cellar still as far as the general public is concerned)?

Get a grip son!

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:54 pm

have some conviction in your work .. if u make dnb make it good n finish what u started ..dnt switch cuz the other teams doin better .....its poor

alan · Post by **alan** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:59 pm

no it means if they make shit dubstep that sounds like ever other fuck, then they shouldn't bother, or they should but keep it in there bedroom instead of ruining others creative muic by making it a cultral void for haircuts and sceen kids. if they make new and exciting bass whomp music fair play...same with all music really. its all about orignalaty.

7 below · Post by **7 below** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:52 pm

EZ Jack - nice to see you bout ere, ysi link is expired so I can't listen - you can go here though:

www.myspace.com/7below

; ), cheeky!

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:06 pm

Having been into this since 2001, I think you should at least have a license signed by El-B, Steve Gurley, Horsepower, etc, to state that you understand the genre, aren't planning to introduce any new elements without their approval, and maybe take a six month dubstep assessment course to make sure that you only ever listen to dubstep, will only ever make dubstep, and have not been into anything other than dubstep previously or intend to be in the future.

Then the approved Dubstep set can then make 500 copies of each single and only sell half of them as everyone seemed to find it a bit elitist, and then retire bankrupt in a matter of months. Will be known in history as a bit of an underground thing whose battle cry was "you ain't from round these parts are ya boy?"

Dubstep today would not be how it is without the years of dnb/breaks heads experiments in bass production. I imagine that lots of the leaders of the new school emerged from these backgrounds - should they stick to what they did before and deprive the scene of new talent?

I hear lots of DnB elements, techno elements, etc in this music, and it's the openness to new ideas that I think is one of the healthiest parts of the scene.

jesta · Post by **jesta** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:01 pm

yeh u cant really have a go at artists who have been making other genres experimenting with dubstep imo..as long as theyre doing something worthwhile for the scene! not jsut trying to get a load of record sales out of shit tunes.

in example
if some1 like twisted individual(bogeyman) decides to saturate THIS market with crap generic tunes like he's done to the dnb market, then i could see place to b pissed off!

7 below · Post by **7 below** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:53 pm

Jesta wrote:yeh u cant really have a go at artists who have been making other genres experimenting with dubstep imo..as long as theyre doing something worthwhile for the scene! not jsut trying to get a load of record sales out of shit tunes.

in example
if some1 like twisted individual(bogeyman) decides to saturate THIS market with crap generic tunes like he's done to the dnb market, then i could see place to b pissed off!

twisted individual is bogeyman? Ahh, that explains why I bought that storming productions record for the B SIDE then....

alan · Post by **alan** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:16 pm

Shonky wrote:Having been into this since 2001, I think you should at least have a license signed by El-B, Steve Gurley, Horsepower, etc, to state that you understand the genre, aren't planning to introduce any new elements without their approval, and maybe take a six month dubstep assessment course to make sure that you only ever listen to dubstep, will only ever make dubstep, and have not been into anything other than dubstep previously or intend to be in the future.

Then the approved Dubstep set can then make 500 copies of each single and only sell half of them as everyone seemed to find it a bit elitist, and then retire bankrupt in a matter of months. Will be known in history as a bit of an underground thing whose battle cry was "you ain't from round these parts are ya boy?"

Dubstep today would not be how it is without the years of dnb/breaks heads experiments in bass production. I imagine that lots of the leaders of the new school emerged from these backgrounds - should they stick to what they did before and deprive the scene of new talent?

I hear lots of DnB elements, techno elements, etc in this music, and it's the openness to new ideas that I think is one of the healthiest parts of the scene.

what? i dont understand.

good new bass heavey music = whoop disco
genric dubstep is shit. genric electronica is shit. genric music is shit.
i've got an idea, lets say no more token dubstep 101 snare hits/patterns, lets not rip of each others synth patchs.

lets make creative ORIGNAL rythm's and big bass which to me is dubstep, just an idea like.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:34 pm

Sorry was just pissing about - most of the artists that are defining dubstep today have only been on the scene for a few years from what I can gather, so presumably everyone has jumped from one thing to another at some point.

Agreed Alan, generic anything is pretty tedious, this is why I think new ideas are a good thing. But original rhythms and big bass could also include hip-hop, dancehall, grime, drum'n'bass, dub and breakbeat at various points in time - so that's not what defines dubstep. Pinch seems to be from an electronica background, Burial is into Photek jungle and pirate garage, grim dubs seem to have a gabba tinge on some of their stuff and all seem to be making completely different and interesting music which expands the genre.

Once you define what a genre is and what's allowable within that, that's what kills it and you end up with generic shite. I think the reason drum and bass has ended up so bad in the last few years is that lots of the current artists have grown up with it's conventions that they haven't got anything else to add to it - amens - tick, hoover - tick, 180bpm - tick, twatty wah bass - tick. Thus why loads of parties last year sucked as it was the same idea churned out for 8 hours or more. This is why I think new blood can only be a good thing.

I can already hear dubstep heading towards certain cliches/generic elements and I don't think that's necessarily from the newcomers.

And I'd like to hear an end to the dubstep 101 beats - there's more than one way to cut a bar up.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:15 pm

a lot of positive things in this thread, but an awful lot of (understandably) overprotective stuff goin' on too.

face it folks, everyone wants to protect something that means a lot to them, but it's like being a parent...you can't protect your kids from going out into the real world, just like you can't protect a musical genre/scene from being discovered by others.

there will ALWAYS be people who try and capitalize off of an underground sound, there will ALWAYS be those who keep doing the good stuff they do regardless, and there will ALWAYS be those on the fringes who enjoy the tunes and draw inspiration from them.

the tighter you try and hold onto something, the less you will ever have it in your grasp. i want to share the music with everyone i know, not hide it away and only bring it out for those who have passed some obscure test.

i am a longtime techno dj/producer who is absolutely THRILLED by the sounds i am hearing out of dubstep and feeling such inspiration from it right now. i dabble in making my own tunes, because it's nice to break away from always doing techno. keeps me having fun...anyone wanna call me a bandwagon jumper? or can you acknowledge that people who don't have the Dubstep History to Now Quizbook might just wanna enjoy fresh music and take a stab at messing around with some dark dub beats and chest rattling bass?

so anyway, this rambling post is just to say...overprotective parents usually end up with misbehaving children...

don't smother the sound. nurture it.

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:55 pm

Yeah, the only reason DS has such a broad soundscope is because each producer has come from a different branch of music who all have their own ideas and ideals. the best of these producers, past, present, & future, HAVE, ARE and WILL shape the path DS moves and branches out in. The people who kill it are those who have their own ideals but merk off other manz ideas because dey wanna protect their own tings u get me.
There are two main types of music - Good or Bad yeh. This post was based on a tune from someone who was getting to GRIPS wiv the music u get me. So of Course it aint gona be up to scratch or even DS but KEEP it UP & improve like a good producer does and you may end up influencin and carving the path it flows in u get me.

ikarai · Post by **ikarai** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:32 am

7 below wrote:
twisted individual is bogeyman? Ahh, that explains why I bought that storming productions record for the B SIDE then....

as if. didn't know that either. But like you say... smelly: shite. Can't believe that prick is pollutin another genre with bullshit, immature purile tunes with bullshit, immature, purile names.
But mt. zion = phatness, no?

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