Dubstep Ethics

[dubluke]

amen to that

big up all balcony smokers

[mikey_g]

I think it's as friendly, if not more than the hardcore scene. People are normally as loved up as Jesus at hardcore raves, it's not real love.

i actually meant hardcore punk which turns 'loved up jesus's' into 'angry straight edge moshers'

[two oh one]

On the whole, I think that the Dubstep community feels almost like the early Rave vibe. Communication and distribution are more evolved due to the advent of internet, of course.

I would love to see the open-minded, "anything goes" with the music continuing. No stagnation, producers making new sounds and lots of new styles emerging as more people from different music backgrounds get attracted to the scene.

[masstronaut]

Word up Joe. No I didn't pinch my forum moniker from your erstwhile colleague (;)), but you do know me from Brighton.

From getting properly interested in dubstep in mid '05 to going to nights, hitting up this forum and meeting people I've felt that dubstep has been a bit of a strange attractor. That's the best way I can describe it - it's pulled in a lot of disparate people who were looking for something whether they knew it or not and didn't feel real affinity with or that they could be a part of most other things that were going on. I've got a background in many kinds of music and found that what was happening in dubstep nicely echoed a lot of my interests from other areas. So it's almost been like a club for people who don't like to join clubs. Whether this can maintain or not is doubtful but either way it's been energising to find that a dance music 'scene' can be made from such a variety of elements.

Re: negative vibes, weirdly it's only been in Brighton recently that I've encountered some particularly shitty attitudes at events. I can think of and pinpoint a few reasons why this might be the case. Recent trips to London nights (Platform 1, DCML) shave been splendid on the whole and full of sound people.

[struggle]

On the whole, I think that the Dubstep community feels almost like the early Rave vibe. Communication and distribution are more evolved due to the advent of internet, of course.

I would love to see the open-minded, "anything goes" with the music continuing. No stagnation, producers making new sounds and lots of new styles emerging as more people from different music backgrounds get attracted to the scene.

no doubt. funny how many 30 somethings i've made friends with through this sound. people with similar visions of building an eclectic scene that were into techno/hardcore back in the early 90's.

great thread bro!

[xor]

I've got a background in many kinds of music and found that what was happening in dubstep nicely echoed a lot of my interests from other areas. So it's almost been like a club for people who don't like to join clubs.

Nail on the head.
Also, it's the drawing-in of outside influences, drafting them onto the dubstep 'shape' that I find one of the most exciting things, and it's probably the thing that will give it its longevity. The openness to allow the music and the style to breathe is so important.

[citizen]

.... I've felt that dubstep has been a bit of a strange attractor. That's the best way I can describe it - it's pulled in a lot of disparate people who were looking for something whether they knew it or not and didn't feel real affinity with or that they could be a part of most other things that were going on.

I just had to quote that.

[dj vk - snakebite ent.]

I've got a background in many kinds of music and found that what was happening in dubstep nicely echoed a lot of my interests from other areas. So it's almost been like a club for people who don't like to join clubs.

Exactly how i got into it.

I used to play dark UK Garage bits and always loved stuff by Oris Jay, Groove Chronicles, Deekline and even Jammin' and Wookie respectfully. However, i always liked that Dub/Reggae influence found in Jungle/Drum & Bass. I've always liked 'BASS WEIGHT' in general since i was a yute for some reason

To be honest, it's the most ideal kind of music to me because it kind of allows me to play anything i want as long as the set flows and it fits with the pace etc of the music.

[bob crunkhouse]

Re: negative vibes, weirdly it's only been in Brighton recently that I've encountered some particularly shitty attitudes at events. I can think of and pinpoint a few reasons why this might be the case. Recent trips to London nights (Platform 1, DCML) shave been splendid on the whole and full of sound people.

I think theres always a good vibe at Brighton nights, be it dubstep, electro breaks whateva....dont think ive ever even seen a fight down here. Volks seems to be one of those palces that just dosent attract fools looking for violence.

Saying that though, me and a few mates went to see boy better know at the Beach and there were some proper pricks in there. Still a good night though..

[joe muggs]

Word up Joe. No I didn't pinch my forum moniker from your erstwhile colleague (;)), but you do know me from Brighton.

From getting properly interested in dubstep in mid '05 to going to nights, hitting up this forum and meeting people I've felt that dubstep has been a bit of a strange attractor. That's the best way I can describe it - it's pulled in a lot of disparate people who were looking for something whether they knew it or not and didn't feel real affinity with or that they could be a part of most other things that were going on. I've got a background in many kinds of music and found that what was happening in dubstep nicely echoed a lot of my interests from other areas. So it's almost been like a club for people who don't like to join clubs. Whether this can maintain or not is doubtful but either way it's been energising to find that a dance music 'scene' can be made from such a variety of elements.

Re: negative vibes, weirdly it's only been in Brighton recently that I've encountered some particularly shitty attitudes at events. I can think of and pinpoint a few reasons why this might be the case. Recent trips to London nights (Platform 1, DCML) shave been splendid on the whole and full of sound people.

Wotcher Masstronaut. I hear what you're saying about "a club for people who don't like to join clubs".... I've always said "I refuse to join any party that would have me as a member"... but then I'm a (Groucho) Marxist.

Brighton's always an exception isn't it - it's always got to be different, right? If there's one place that could make a scene cliquey and insular it's Skidrow-On-Sea (and I love the city enough to have lived there for a decade!)

[drbluebeat]

Posters like dubluke (among many others) are the reason I still spend so much time reading the forum.

Posters like reprobate are the reason I dont. Sorry to single you out but you are a bit of a self fulfilling propecy.

Seeing as how I have written proof I was a class of '88 acid houser I feel justified in saying that the dubstep scene of the last two years has been amongst the best nights of my dancing-to-repetitive-beats clubbing history and that's as much down to the people as the music.

[bob crunkhouse]

Word up Joe. No I didn't pinch my forum moniker from your erstwhile colleague (;)), but you do know me from Brighton.

From getting properly interested in dubstep in mid '05 to going to nights, hitting up this forum and meeting people I've felt that dubstep has been a bit of a strange attractor. That's the best way I can describe it - it's pulled in a lot of disparate people who were looking for something whether they knew it or not and didn't feel real affinity with or that they could be a part of most other things that were going on. I've got a background in many kinds of music and found that what was happening in dubstep nicely echoed a lot of my interests from other areas. So it's almost been like a club for people who don't like to join clubs. Whether this can maintain or not is doubtful but either way it's been energising to find that a dance music 'scene' can be made from such a variety of elements.

Re: negative vibes, weirdly it's only been in Brighton recently that I've encountered some particularly shitty attitudes at events. I can think of and pinpoint a few reasons why this might be the case. Recent trips to London nights (Platform 1, DCML) shave been splendid on the whole and full of sound people.

Wotcher Masstronaut. I hear what you're saying about "a club for people who don't like to join clubs".... I've always said "I refuse to join any party that would have me as a member"... but then I'm a (Groucho) Marxist.

Brighton's always an exception isn't it - it's always got to be different, right? If there's one place that could make a scene cliquey and insular it's Skidrow-On-Sea (and I love the city enough to have lived there for a decade!)

I dont think its cliquey, but maybe i just dont know the cool cats

nights in Brighton seem to go just as much as the ones in London that ive been to..

[dem2ruff]

yes yes this is one family i like to belong too - when we go raving is all good vibes is nice (the way it should b) dont need no bad man element destroying what we work hard at , we all in this together if we aint together we aint got Shit -
this is about music ,it moves us in different ways but we all like the same thing B A S S thats what moves me -
i been around along time seen lots of things Raved lots raves but truthfully Dubstep Changed My life (big up boomy ) if i dont Have dubstep i dont have any reason to make Music dubstep makes me happy
dubstep makes me smile lots an lots an lots
peace and blessings for 08 - lets push this thing far as possible
respect

[joe muggs]

I haven't experienced dubstep in brighton so I'm just going from experience of certain other scenes - the place can get to be a bit of a pressure cooker.... As it goes I've heard good reports from Volks nights - and the Clandestine Cultivations stuff suggests that people are deep into the sound.

[virus human race]

It's one of the few strands of club music where people openly, and often, talk about "emotion" in tunes.

That's actually quite funny, because I was only just pondering to myself about how emotionless Dubstep actually is. Not the scene of course, but in the tunes themselves.

[pk-]

i've met a ridiculous number of genuine, funny, interesting people with seemingly infinite patience for loud, annoying drunkards through dubstep since i came back to london a year & a bit ago. as contakt said, it's great to be able to roll up on your todd at a rave and be guaranteed at least a few familiar faces.

for me, community in dubstep almost transcends the music itself.

never a truer word

[masstronaut]

I haven't experienced dubstep in brighton so I'm just going from experience of certain other scenes - the place can get to be a bit of a pressure cooker.... As it goes I've heard good reports from Volks nights - and the Clandestine Cultivations stuff suggests that people are deep into the sound.

Dubpressure at the Volks has for the most part been absolutely superb, as were the Juju nights at the Jazz Place when those were still on. I wouldn't want to give anyone the impression that Brighton isn't erm, representing properly because it most definitely is.

Recently there have been a couple of incidents that I've witnessed but really just isolated cases of dumbness I would hope. The atmosphere at the Superdubpressure event at the Concorde was a bit off, but then that's probably just the Concorde on a Saturday night - combination of posturing students, Ketamine casualties and weekend desperados isn't my idea of fun. As you know Brighton can attract a lot of people trying to 'be someone', and a lot of wastecadets too . Also the music in the main room that night was mostly pretty turgid dullstep which didn't help. The other thing though is that I think there's sometimes an element of crews going to Brighton for nights out with a bit of an attitude on and trying to give it the large. A couple of things have kicked off in the Volks and people have been hassled. I don't really want to go into major detail but it's silly to deny it. Perhaps at events closer to home folks don't feel they need to try and prove something in that way.

But I think all that needs to be seen in the context of expanding audiences. There was a time not so long ago when pretty much anyone at a dubstep night was there because they were actually into the music. Now of course it's reached the stage of being another entertainment option and that level of commitment and investment in the sound can't be expected or assumed of all ravers. That's just the way it goes, and also as the quantity of people and money in a scene increases so do the numbers of those trying to make a quick profit off it, scrupulously or otherwise.

[alex deadman]

The only problems i've ever had was back in Sheff in 05. The local handbag's at dawn squad thought that dubstep was grime and that they should come to dubstep events and play up. Was nipped in the bud tho when dubstep shrugged off the misconception that it was a subdivision of grime.

[dubluke]

having gone to my first dnb rave in a long while last night (on the persuasion of mates) it was astounding to see the contrast, some fucking horrible people in there, bare e and ketamine casualty's, bare letchy men tryin to get off with girls about 30 years their junior, beef all over the place, sick all over the place and attitudes and ego's clashing throughout the dance

will be a huge relief gettin back to dubstep nights

[dubluke]

Posters like dubluke (among many others) are the reason I still spend so much time reading the forum.

bless up mate

bleat you can borrow my russian bride any time