Hip Hop in the UK

dubstoner · Post by **dubstoner** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:10 pm

[quote="Battle Gong"]dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread[/quote]

u really r a braindead prick, grow up.

hutchy · Post by **hutchy** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:11 pm

Thomas wrote:
hutchy wrote:From several months ago now but amazing - hoodz underground - bringin it back
.
I'm feeling them, just about to buy it actualy for thanks for the reminder.

Theres less and less UK stuff i can bare each month with me, It would really bother me if there was any kind of scene anymore. But there seems to be nothing going on anyware.

yeh deffo get your hands on that, probably one my fave albums from 2007. it totally blew me away the first time I heard it.

I checked them out after reading a feature in HHC, it's just a pity that not everyone featured in HHC is as good...

bill inna · Post by **bill inna** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:44 am

Battle Gong wrote:dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread

nar that hasnt gone down well.

are you stupid?

grime and hip hop are 2 different genres. im sure hip hop MCs would be grime MCs if they were into grime.

COURT · Post by **COURT** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:45 am

Roots Manuva
Jehst
Foreign Beggars
Braintax
Phi Life Cypher
Klashnekoff
Skinnyman
Asaviour
Tommy Evans

Grime mc's dont have to not like Hip hop because it's slower lol.
the JUST BLAZE FREESTYLE!?

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:50 pm

Whineo wrote:
Contakt wrote:I loved all Jehst stuff up to Nuke Proof Suit which was shockingly awful. Such a disappointment.
..It was bad but I think it had some redeeming features. but yeah big dissapointment.

on another tip what ever happened to Sundragon ? he was sick

Sundragon changed his name to Super-T... i think eventually he packed it in though... shame cos he was ILL

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:28 pm

been very curious on why uk hiphop and grime is defined to be to different things . . .
and the 90 bpm vs 70/140 isn´t enough . . .
back in the days tunes was made on all tempos . . .

is it mostly to do with where they come from or a wish to not be a part of the big hiphop hype . . . ?!!

and what happened to bushkilla ?!! fucking quality mcing!

After i heard the foreign beggars and vex´d tune [bollocks]
i remembered how much i enjoy quality flowing over a fresh beat . . .
Hoow much that adds to the beat!
and to my ear, most grime mcs have to similar mc styles to make it work through a whole track . . .

phobic · Post by **phobic** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:50 pm

if u listen to boy better know, fire camp, roll deep etc, u will notice that their "freestyling" is just repeating the same stuff again and again, u cant make a whole track with just a few lyrics!

imo UKHH has loads more content compared to Grime, not just chattin about slewing and brapping and bigging up their endz, but each to his own...

Klashnekoff
Kyza
Jehst
DJ Excalibah
Micall Parknsun
Lewis Parker
BIG names in the game![/img]

frebentos · Post by **frebentos** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:24 pm

Chester P, one of the best UK freestylers Iv seen...

soldjaaa_chik · Post by **soldjaaa_chik** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:26 pm

Legendary wrote:Skrein, Foreign Beggars, Skinnyman, Jehst, Klaskhnekoff.

big.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:29 pm

PhoBic wrote:if u listen to boy better know, fire camp, roll deep etc, u will notice that their "freestyling" is just repeating the same stuff again and again, u cant make a whole track with just a few lyrics!

imo UKHH has loads more content compared to Grime, not just chattin about slewing and brapping and bigging up their endz, but each to his own...

The thing is, Wiley repeating a word again and again is more exciting and interesting than Jehst talking about how he'd like to slide up a rainbow into some clouds and swap metaphors with Zues above a multi storey carpark in the 'concrete dungeon' to me. Anyway, was Hip-Hop shit in the mid to late 80s when the flows were all A-B-C-D-E-F-G I am a dope MC? No, because the beats were live and the styles were exciting. The most boring hip-hop is the stuff with a rinsed out looped dusty jazz sample and some failed author with a monotone voice doing 40,000 syllables about how other MCs are rubbish, hip-hop is dead and he is 'sick like AIDS'.

Don't get me wrong some UKHH is good though.

frebentos · Post by **frebentos** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:36 pm

Corpsey wrote:
Don't get me wrong some UKHH is good though.

A lot of it VERY samey though...

soldjaaa_chik · Post by **soldjaaa_chik** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:42 pm

Corpsey wrote:
PhoBic wrote:if u listen to boy better know, fire camp, roll deep etc, u will notice that their "freestyling" is just repeating the same stuff again and again, u cant make a whole track with just a few lyrics!

imo UKHH has loads more content compared to Grime, not just chattin about slewing and brapping and bigging up their endz, but each to his own...
The thing is, Wiley repeating a word again and again is more exciting and interesting than Jehst talking about how he'd like to slide up a rainbow into some clouds and swap metaphors with Zues above a multi storey carpark in the 'concrete dungeon' to me. Anyway, was Hip-Hop shit in the mid to late 80s when the flows were all A-B-C-D-E-F-G I am a dope MC? No, because the beats were live and the styles were exciting. The most boring hip-hop is the stuff with a rinsed out looped dusty jazz sample and some failed author with a monotone voice doing 40,000 syllables about how other MCs are rubbish, hip-hop is dead and he is 'sick like AIDS'.

Don't get me wrong some UKHH is good though.

Mate, you just summed it all up.

Same way i feel.

I remember going to axefm once (online radio station) and there was some guy there who decided to chat this line
"my dicks been in more pussies then tampons"
then his whole crew went crazy.

I didnt.

Why would you want to say that?!?!?!?!

cogi · Post by **cogi** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:52 am

Baron_von_Carlton wrote: You know non of them really care about what they preach, they just do it to sound cool to students.

I agree kinda but most people don't practice what they preach. At least its more interesting than what a lot of mainstream US is about. I need to listen to some hip hop.

The scene always seemed small to me though, uk hip hop gigs were never in massive attendance in Leeds unlike London which is probably why there isn't a lot of diversity.

Braintax is retiring, sounds pissed off now

http://rapnews.co.uk/?p=1176

Jehst almost has the same attitude, more positivity but he obviously thinks there are huge problems with the business.

http://www.ukhh.com/features/interviews ... ndex2.html

UKHH hasn't the same radio presence and probably hasn't coped as well as Grime did with the new technology.

sofabed · Post by **sofabed** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:46 pm

Court wrote: Grime mc's dont have to not like Hip hop because it's slower lol.
the JUST BLAZE FREESTYLE!?

YES that is a tune ;D

184 · Post by **184** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:16 am

As an active hip hop producer I feel I should put forward a few reasons why i still think it's good.

Stig of the dump
http://www.myspace.com/stigdastardly

Kashmere
http://www.myspace.com/kashmereiguana

Inja
http://www.myspace.com/injanu

Rup
http://www.myspace.com/rupthecnut

SonnyJim
http://www.myspace.com/sonnyjim184standardpractice

Evil Ed
http://www.myspace.com/eviledtheenthusiast

Lewis Parker
www.myspace.com/lewisparker

Ghetto
http://www.myspace.com/ghettomc

+many more.

Listen if you care.

BaronVon · Post by **BaronVon** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:29 am

^^^^ They are all talented lyricists with tight productions but the only one on your list doing anything interesting and original is Ghetto. A Grime artist, rendering your whole post null and void.

menacetosobriety · Post by **menacetosobriety** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:55 am

Wil Blaze wrote:
Whineo wrote:
Contakt wrote:I loved all Jehst stuff up to Nuke Proof Suit which was shockingly awful. Such a disappointment.
..It was bad but I think it had some redeeming features. but yeah big dissapointment.

on another tip what ever happened to Sundragon ? he was sick
Sundragon changed his name to Super-T... i think eventually he packed it in though... shame cos he was ILL

Other way round. He started off as Supa T and later changed to Sundragon.

concept_ · Post by **concept_** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:15 pm

Wil Blaze wrote:
Whineo wrote:
Contakt wrote:I loved all Jehst stuff up to Nuke Proof Suit which was shockingly awful. Such a disappointment.
..It was bad but I think it had some redeeming features. but yeah big dissapointment.

on another tip what ever happened to Sundragon ? he was sick
Sundragon changed his name to Super-T... i think eventually he packed it in though... shame cos he was ILL

I only ever heard a couple of his tracks but I rated his lyrics.
That one track he had on Underworld Epics was one of my favourites on the whole LP...with that line "'God gave us guns' that's like 'God gave us drugs', nah God gave us us...And a whole heap of devils to blame when we fuck up"- really sick track tht. I'm gonna have to go dig that out now.

184 · Post by **184** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:33 pm

Baron_von_Carlton wrote:^^^^ They are all talented lyricists with tight productions but the only one on your list doing anything interesting and original is Ghetto. A Grime artist, rendering your whole post null and void.

Grime is UKHH.

Dont get it twisted

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:46 pm

184 wrote:
Baron_von_Carlton wrote:^^^^ They are all talented lyricists with tight productions but the only one on your list doing anything interesting and original is Ghetto. A Grime artist, rendering your whole post null and void.

Grime is UKHH.

Dont get it twisted

Also, dubstep is slowed down DnB.

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