self aware robot thingy

dr ddd · Post by **dr ddd** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:20 pm

eez very coolio, but also slightly scary at the same time....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehno85yI-sA

dubluke · Post by **dubluke** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:28 pm

this reminds of that study (probably an urban legend though) where they made a robot take 7 steps and on the 7th one they would knock it over, they kept doing it until apparantly the robot learnt not to take that 7th step cos it knew it would get knocked over

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:12 pm

Well that's either complete lies or pretty trivial, depending on how you wanted to implement it. If you simply told the robot to take 7 steps, it'll do that forever, it wouldn't even know that it had been knocked over, let alone try to avoid it.
If you put in a bunch of sensors to monitor whether it's vertical and then wrote an adaptive goal-based control mechanism with staying upright having a higher priority than taking 7 steps, it would 'learn' not to take 7 steps pretty fast. It would be a fairly contrived and pointless situation though.

The Starfish thing on the other hand is really very cool indeed. It's not self aware in a consciousness sense, but it has personal spatial awareness, and is able to adjust it based on new data, like when it was damaged.
Interestingly, that's what babies are doing when they flail around, suck their feet, poke themselves in the head etc. They're not being retarded, they're working out exactly how the different parts of their body interact, so they can predict what will happen when they move limbs etc. That's what it's doing at the beginning of the video. I did some stuff on it last year, just the basic theory though, no way I could build one. Could well end up doing something similar as my dissertation next year though. My degree is awesome.

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:18 pm

Oh wow just reading the website about it, it's actually even more cunning than I thought. It doesn't just adapt to damage or whatever, it actually has no idea it's even a 'starfish'. It just has 8 motors and sensors, and it evolves a model based on the results it gets from basically flailing about. So it can work out how to move regardless of how you put it together.

dubloke · Post by **dubloke** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:06 pm

haha it moves like such a malc

not slating it, i just found it funny at the time

pestario · Post by **pestario** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:13 pm

After it works out how to walk it goes after camera man ROBOTS ARE EEVVVILLLLL

cool tho

d_three · Post by **d_three** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:11 pm

reminds me of kraftwerk's "we are the robots"

anyways, fuck that - watch this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uYwS9k1ZexY

sorry DDD to hijack your threadle

jon_tooth · Post by **jon_tooth** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:06 am

dubluke wrote:this reminds of that study (probably an urban legend though) where they made a robot take 7 steps and on the 7th one they would knock it over, they kept doing it until apparantly the robot learnt not to take that 7th step cos it knew it would get knocked over

Yeah, he skipped straight to number 8.

Seriously though, if you're interested in that sort of shit you should read 'Emergence', by Stephen Johnson. It's got some pretty interesting examples of emergent systems (like intelligence f'rinstance) in nature and society. A damn good read.

(wiggedy wiggedy brockwile etc.)

dubluke · Post by **dubluke** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:23 am

Jon_tooth wrote:
dubluke wrote:this reminds of that study (probably an urban legend though) where they made a robot take 7 steps and on the 7th one they would knock it over, they kept doing it until apparantly the robot learnt not to take that 7th step cos it knew it would get knocked over
Yeah, he skipped straight to number 8.

Seriously though, if you're interested in that sort of shit you should read 'Emergence', by Stephen Johnson. It's got some pretty interesting examples of emergent systems (like intelligence f'rinstance) in nature and society. A damn good read.

(wiggedy wiggedy brockwile etc.)

haha, maybe he did, anyway i'm pretty sure its an urban legend, interesting stuff though innit, might look into that book

BROCKWIDE LADEEZ

dr ddd · Post by **dr ddd** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:16 pm

d.three wrote:reminds me of kraftwerk's "we are the robots"

anyways, fuck that - watch this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uYwS9k1ZexY

sorry DDD to hijack your threadle

now ur in trouble...

dr ddd · Post by **dr ddd** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:17 pm

dubluke wrote:this reminds of that study (probably an urban legend though) where they made a robot take 7 steps and on the 7th one they would knock it over, they kept doing it until apparantly the robot learnt not to take that 7th step cos it knew it would get knocked over

sounds like me on a saturday night... well except for the last part about learning not to take the 7th step...

dubloke · Post by **dubloke** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:02 pm

d.three wrote:anyways, fuck that - watch this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uYwS9k1ZexY

oh my days, first proper laugh of the week

(ive had a bad week though)

dr ddd · Post by **dr ddd** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:11 pm

Dubloke wrote:
d.three wrote:anyways, fuck that - watch this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uYwS9k1ZexY
oh my days, first proper laugh of the week (ive had a bad week though)

hehe there's even a ninja reference.....

d_three · Post by **d_three** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:11 pm

dr ddd wrote:now ur in trouble...

punish me!

dr ddd · Post by **dr ddd** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:15 pm

d.three wrote:
dr ddd wrote:now ur in trouble...
punish me!

your penance is:

thou shalt not be allowed to attend our partay on saturday

d_three · Post by **d_three** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:18 pm

dr ddd wrote:
d.three wrote:
dr ddd wrote:now ur in trouble...
punish me!
your penance is:

thou shalt not be allowed to attend our partay on saturday

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