Music You've Gone Off And Why

[__________]

Turntablist stuff - realised that scratching can only go so far

errrrrr no. you are wrong. 'turntablist stuff' has infinite possibilities, more possibilities than the infinite possibilities of music itself.

the possibilities of turntablism are

infinity (record A) x infinity (record B) x infinity (the turntablist)

there are endless amounts tunes and endless ways to beat juggle and scratch those tunes. add in another deck and times the possibility by infinity again. if you had grandmastersuperwizardskillsdjman that could turntablise on 4 decks, thats infinity times 5 which is greater than the sum of everything in the universe twice over.

to conclude, turntablism can go further than the universe itself twice over, times by the square root of all turntablists.

sarcasm aside, turntablism will never die or run out of possibilites. it will always have more possibilities than music itself, simply because you can do an infinite number of things to a track that already exists and make a whole new composition.

[mandy moon]

hip hop and metal in the late 80's as a kid with some madonna influences
got the second wave of old skool breakbeat and techno pre jungle to california. and of corse the jungle dnb movement then it wasnt hard enough so gabber and hardcore took over for a while and all dark styles to come from this



how many dubstep followers listend to gabber/hardcore
/idm/terror/breakcore

[onelouder]

Having worked in a record shop/ Deejayed Radio/ Promoted Gigs etc, IMO its pretty easy to get sick of anything if you're exposed to it on the regular.

Feeling a lot of the comments on this thread, I guess the best thing is to avoid the old tired ears trap... theres a lot happening out there and there a million producers/emcees/bands etc. out there trying to reinvent the wheel. Some buggers actually succeed....

MF Doom is fresh, Modeselektor do some great stuff, Dabrye drops quality, the Klaxons get remixed by Skream.....

I thought fishscale was cool..

[onelouder]

nu-skool breaks, self-explainitory im sure.

Uh... yeah actually, I was trying to be on a positive tip, but Breakz is pretty shite IMO. At first I thought I didn't get it, like my initial experience of UKG/2step.... time however has not been kind to this genre.

[freqone]

nu-skool breaks, self-explainitory im sure.

same here, i loved all the vaguely garage-like, bass-driven stuff but it's all gotten a bit too housey for me[/quote


like deekline & wizard style?....regardless Agreed.

[freqone]

Turntablist stuff - realised that scratching can only go so far

errrrrr no. you are wrong. 'turntablist stuff' has infinite possibilities, more possibilities than the infinite possibilities of music itself.

the possibilities of turntablism are

infinity (record A) x infinity (record B) x infinity (the turntablist)

there are endless amounts tunes and endless ways to beat juggle and scratch those tunes. add in another deck and times the possibility by infinity again. if you had grandmastersuperwizardskillsdjman that could turntablise on 4 decks, thats infinity times 5 which is greater than the sum of everything in the universe twice over.

to conclude, turntablism can go further than the universe itself twice over, times by the square root of all turntablists.

sarcasm aside, turntablism will never die or run out of possibilites. it will always have more possibilities than music itself, simply because you can do an infinite number of things to a track that already exists and make a whole new composition.

You hold an excellent point, but he may have meant he's just not into music put together in that style.
He's not wrong by any means, it's all subjective. Well in my opinion

[stormfield]

nu skool breakz... horrible stuff now

There was a period in the mid 90's when it was very exciting, everything around a similar tempo (130bpm) and different styles from diferent people. There was no one "correct" sound, it all worked together. (a bit like the during early phase of dubstep I guess!). You could also mix it in with house and techno and expecially electro... it was a genre that could mutate and develop easily.

Late 90's the music got choked (creatively) by a few labels/artists who were better at PR and had more mates writing for magazines than the others, so the mainstream perception of "breaks" was nothing but bland pseudo-house bollocks, or of cheesey "funky" variety.

I guess out of all the genres, breaks has let me down the most.

Only a few heads like Tipper and Si Begg have kept the siprit and freshness strong, and still do now.

* I stopped buying drum n bass in 2000 and haven't heard much newer stuff, so my memories of this genre are still happy ones...

[pestario]

Turntablist stuff - realised that scratching can only go so far

errrrrr no. you are wrong. 'turntablist stuff' has infinite possibilities, more possibilities than the infinite possibilities of music itself.

the possibilities of turntablism are

infinity (record A) x infinity (record B) x infinity (the turntablist)

there are endless amounts tunes and endless ways to beat juggle and scratch those tunes. add in another deck and times the possibility by infinity again. if you had grandmastersuperwizardskillsdjman that could turntablise on 4 decks, thats infinity times 5 which is greater than the sum of everything in the universe twice over.

to conclude, turntablism can go further than the universe itself twice over, times by the square root of all turntablists.

sarcasm aside, turntablism will never die or run out of possibilites. it will always have more possibilities than music itself, simply because you can do an infinite number of things to a track that already exists and make a whole new composition.

You hold an excellent point, but he may have meant he's just not into music put together in that style.
He's not wrong by any means, it's all subjective. Well in my opinion

Yeah I meant records that were made explicitly with turntablist techniques like those by Invisbl Skratch Picklz (however they spelt it) and D-styles.

I understand your point how there are lots of possibilities with using 2 decks and mixer, hell, I used to be really into it and entered DMC 3 times to some moderate success. BUT in terms of turntablist production it all got a bit contrived. People were making tunes that were made only with 2 decks and a mixer and the main interest of the track was the scratching and that fact that it wasn't made with a pc/drum machine. Don't get me wrong, there were many dope tracks made but the obsession with the tracks being PURE turntable productions seemed to overshadow the musicality of the tracks themselves. People asked why don't we just program the drums/samples/loops?

And scratching itself can sound good but there ARE limits. It's basically pitch and volume manipulation, the extent of which is limited by the human hand. If you wanted to overcome this you could just use a scratch emulator on a pc and come up with some crazy sounds but that defeats the purpose for turntablist djs. Scratching is more a craft made for live performance, which I totally respect (that's why DMCs and the like will always be the height of the art). But the scratch record made for home listening, apart from the purposes of appreciating dj skill, has no real point.

eg. One guy made a dnb track by scratching drum/bass/synth samples and stitching them together. It was great and a decent track in itself but everything he did with the samples (and more) could be done using a .wav editor.

[__________]

fair one. the way you said 'turnatablist stuff' i thought you weren't really into it. i see your point of view and agree with it to a certain extent but i think if you compare two tunes, one made using a turntable and akai, one using wavs and a wav editor, the one with the turntable will sound more live and musical which is better imo.

one thing i don't understand is why so many hip hop djs that record their stuff insist on not applying any fx to the scratching. its different at a gig, but i think recorded scratching sounds loads better with a bit of reverb and delay. scratching can sound really musical if its processed right, not enough djs are doing this imo.

i can still listen to a whole dstyles, qbert or return of the dj album without getting bored though. dmc videos are top quality entertainment too!

[pestario]

Yeah I was a bit off-hand with the comment to begin with.

Anyway +1 with nu-skool breaks. It was a genre that on paper looked like something I would like, and I tried very hard to like, but in the end just didn't happen.

[__________]

a lot of dnb bores me now. too many people are abusing the same sounds, i can't tell if a tune is genuine limewax or someone trying to sound like limewax. boooooooring

[djake]

a lot of dnb bores me now. too many people are abusing the same sounds, i can't tell if a tune is genuine limewax or someone trying to sound like limewax. boooooooring

i usally just listen to limewax's album to get past that....

[rickyricardo]

Drum 'n Bass - I wouldn't really call myself *off* of dnb. I still enjoy it, and will even download new sets from time to time. I just don't keep up anymore...definitely not to extent which I used to. I've no idea what the new tunes are, and who's the new hotness. Other than the "old school" heads that I used to listen to, most of the names I see on tracklists these days are pretty alien to me. I could never be "off" dnb, though...unless it takes a headlong dive into sub-mediocrity and Calibre starts making breakcore or something.

"New School" Hardcore/ "Nu Rave" / Whatever - There was a period of time (around when Kniteforce reformed), that I was pretty excited about hardcore-style production making a comeback. However, I was always wary that retro-revivals like this will always ending up in just rehashing the past, rather than expanding on it. That's exactly what happened. After about the 40th remake of "Hurt U So", I lost interest.

I feel the same way about Bassline....never bought much beyond those first couple Jon Buccerri EP's

Baltimore Club - There probably aren't alot of people here who even heard of Bmore Club before people like Diplo, Hollotronix, and Spank Rock started popularizing it. The problem is that they took what was essentially loop music, and tried to turn them into songs. That may actually sound like something that would make it better, but IMO, it made it worse. Bmore Club doesn't have refrains, or chorus, or intros, or whatever-the-fuck. A Bmore club track is looping Lil' John's "what!" over the "Sing Sing" break w/ big bass in the background for 3 minutes straight. It was stupid, it was simple, I loved it. Trying to make it more complex or "interesting" is what started to kill it for me.

....sigh...ok, enough hating.

[watermelonman]

Guitars and men with guitars. I dunno... gone off is a bit extreme. I know I still like it but I just haven't listened to that sort of music in a while now.

[pestario]

Baltimore Club - There probably aren't alot of people here who even heard of Bmore Club before people like Diplo, Hollotronix, and Spank Rock started popularizing it. The problem is that they took what was essentially loop music, and tried to turn them into songs. That may actually sound like something that would make it better, but IMO, it made it worse. Bmore Club doesn't have refrains, or chorus, or intros, or whatever-the-fuck. A Bmore club track is looping Lil' John's "what!" over the "Sing Sing" break w/ big bass in the background for 3 minutes straight. It was stupid, it was simple, I loved it. Trying to make it more complex or "interesting" is what started to kill it for me.

....sigh...ok, enough hating.

That's a shame. I've only got one dj set of Bmore Club and it sounds exactly like what you described - it's also one of my favourite ever sets. Do you have any links to where I can find more of this, esp. the good loopy stuff?

[fused_forces]

In my opinion 'Fishscale' by Ghostface is good as any of the solo Wu-Tang albums. Not that recent tho (2006)

Yea man definatly.

[dubluke]

I was well into indie about three or four years ago- Libertines, Strokes etc. etc. but now I can't listen to much guitar/band music at all. I don't know why really, I think it comes down to becoming so obsessed with bass/rhythm heavy music that if I listen to a lot of bands now the instrumentation sounds really gutless (trebly) and the rhythms are too incidental/weedy.

Darkcore DNB i.e. Tech Itch/Limewax etc.- When I first got into DNB it was probably the extremity of it which attracted me. It started out as pure drug music for me so it was all about the drop (or double drop)- Mampi Swift was my favourite DJ at that early point and I loved new Dillinja tunes along with Pendulum Clipz etc... then when I got deeper into it I went off that sort of inyerface jump up style, maybe just as a snobby reflex and I think the first think I got into instead was the ultra dark and noisy tunes that were always called things like 'Satan's Cock In My Copy of Cubase'. That was still when DNB was all about extremity and heaviness to me I suppose, but over time I got into jungle and deeper stuff and of course now I'm into dubstep and garage and similarly rhythmically spacious stuff I can't stand that kind of thing at all.

rah mate thats almost exactly the same as what happened to me, except i went off the darker stuff much faster and got into that more mellow sound like calibre etc.

[umkhontowesizwe]

hyphy.

there's only so much talk about ghost ridin' the whip and shakin' dem dreads one can take before it becomes a bit tedious. still listen to it like, just not as much as i used to.

[deamonds]

if I listen to a lot of bands now the instrumentation sounds really gutless (trebly) and the rhythms are too incidental/weedy.

agree with this totally

[step correct]

Drum 'n Bass - I wouldn't really call myself *off* of dnb. I still enjoy it, and will even download new sets from time to time. I just don't keep up anymore...definitely not to extent which I used to. I've no idea what the new tunes are, and who's the new hotness. Other than the "old school" heads that I used to listen to, most of the names I see on tracklists these days are pretty alien to me. I could never be "off" dnb, though...unless it takes a headlong dive into sub-mediocrity and Calibre starts making breakcore or something.

Well put. Did you make it to any of the DnB parties in Baltimore in the mid 90's?