What stops a DJ from ripping vinyl ???

[deaper]

Sounds like you're beefing up shit for no reason. People that I speak with like the way grime dubstep, the whole scene is going.

If a tunes big and good then it'll surely come out on CD. Rinsessions for example, big compilation with the top tracks out.

If someone really wants a tune they can get the vinyl or try to contact the producer to get an MP3.

I don't understand your point about it doesn't matter if the producer gets money or not.. maybe I read it wrong but thats what I understand.

[dubmugga]

...nah, i aint beefing shit up just trying to force what i feel is a much needed change to better cater for the international market

if we weren't so isolated in NZ it probably wouldn't matter but we pay more and have to wait longer for tunes and even then they might be all out...

...if we were in london I prolly wouldn't give a shit

so deaper you talked to any producers from outside UK ???

sometimes one has to make a dick of themselves to get a point across...

[seckle]

sometimes one has to make a dick of themselves to get a point across...

clearly.

you know, you'd do much better for your arguments if you'd turn off the "i'm from new zealand/small island" victimization grief. i don't hear people from OZ starting loads of crap about the dubstep scene. you have good points man, but you bury most of them in this "hell dept against the world" rhetoric. it's not like everyone's out to stop your music from being heard.

i watched pendulum blow up on doa over the course of the last three years. they did it very gradually. every month you'd hear another tune or another sick mix...people started to take notice, lot's of positive feedback. they went from relative obscurity in australia to number 14 in the uk national dance charts in less than 2 years! they themselves have admitted that they owe most of their initial exposure to doa and aim. they didn't try and reinvent the wheel. they didn't try the grumpy revolutionary route either.

[deaper]

Yeah I like pendulum, might put a dnb section on Deaper Resources.

If you go on Rinse forum you will see a guy named Megatron. He's from San Francisco and imports all the big vinyl and he has started an ever growin grime scene. He's got a radio set and does raves. He said that he dropped a few grime tunes and people didn't want to go back to hearing DnB. Basically my point, it doesn't matter where you're from cos you can always get stuff done.

I see what you mean about having an MP3 hosting site where the producers get the money. I guess it could be possible and those who wish to do it will do it but let that happen in time and don't force stuff.

[boomnoise]

I see what you mean about having an MP3 hosting site where the producers get the money. I guess it could be possible and those who wish to do it will do it but let that happen in time and don't force stuff.

this will happen. only a matter of time. the wheels are already in motion as i understand things.

[alex bk-bk]

to illustrate a point, i'm not even reading dubmugga's posts anymore cos they might put me off this wonderful forum. sorry but nobody wants to wade through your standoffish bollocks mate. Everyone else getting involved in this scene from abroad is very positive, so please come back when you get over whatever it is that's given you a rash, yeah?

[dubmugga]

you know, you'd do much better for your arguments if you'd turn off the "i'm from new zealand/small island" victimization grief. i don't hear people from OZ starting loads of crap about the dubstep scene. you have good points man, but you bury most of them in this "hell dept against the world" rhetoric. it's not like everyone's out to stop your music from being heard.

they didn't try the grumpy revolutionary route either.

I hear you and I'm not looking to start crap...

...just make things better so we don't have to go through the bullshit that turned me off d'n'b. My honest feeling is if we the international community inclusive of UK don't do anything we will end up with the same thing

bland, nothing music devoid of a conscious element, subject to stealing and trading dubplates from producers cos the feeding of the natives isn't happening fast enough...

I'm also not hearing anyone from OZ who is even close to us beatswise

Alex that's just stupid, you give me more credit than is due by even thinking my opinions have some bearing on your participation in this forum...

tell me how the points i've raised without my rebel antics are not positive or could bring about a negative reaction ???

I apologise for my crudeness and bluntness so just deal with the points i raised and discuss them and i will objectively do the same

can we not apply the same reasoning why DJ's don't rip and share vinyl and apply it to dubwaves by increasing the price and retaining some exclusivity based on loyalty and trust to the artist while offering a genre specific shop attached to this forum ???

...fair enough ???

[dubway]

build your own space and stop complaining about how what others who have done much more to build this thing, conduct themselves.

yeah ok! fair point! To be honest, I've written to a lot of producers, and they have been, without fault, very friendly, trusting and giving, so my complaint is more theoretical than actual, given my principles: I don't play out for money, and yet I fork out a lot of cash for music at the first opportunity. All I ask is for the music to become easily obtainable! In that respect, I totally support Dubway's idea and would spend a fortune if it came about!

did i miss something?
what MY idea?
this is my first post in this thread

[thinking]

i'm not even reading dubmugga's posts anymore

Me too. You have an enormous chip on your shoulder about not having access to this tune or that tune or whatever.

Paul & Farj from Moving Ninja in Oz seem to have linked with all the UK producers - their www.garagepressure.com always had upfront MP3s to listen to, so it's not like prodcers from the UK / other countries are refusing to share music just cos you're not nuts-deep in the scene.

I honestly think if you climbed down off you soapbox and quit telling people how you think the scene should run - maybe try going with the flow for a while instead of trying to change the whole direction - you'd have a more positive reaction from people.

[elemental]

i'm not even reading dubmugga's posts anymore

Me too. You have an enormous chip on your shoulder about not having access to this tune or that tune or whatever.

Paul & Farj from Moving Ninja in Oz seem to have linked with all the UK producers - their www.garagepressure.com always had upfront MP3s to listen to, so it's not like prodcers from the UK / other countries are refusing to share music just cos you're not nuts-deep in the scene.

I honestly think if you climbed down off you soapbox and quit telling people how you think the scene should run - maybe try going with the flow for a while instead of trying to change the whole direction - you'd have a more positive reaction from people.

100% agree. Mans shooting himself in the foot if u ask me. If ur feelin the music no-one cares where ya from. Look at Dubway (Croatia), Even (Denmark), Joe Nice (Baltimore, USA) for more examples of peeps far from London/UK who are all safe and deep into the music, and pushing the sound in their respective areas.

[dubmugga]

now now boys let's not get personal...

...like i said take my antix out of it and deal with the issues i've raised

I could easily say

a lot of peeps feel what i'm saying but are too dropnuts to come out with it and i could also say that those people you mentioned elemental aren't producers...

...or that we don't eat ass in any scene and that producers from the UK / other countries are refusing to share music just cos we're not nuts-deep in the scene may hold some truth

but I'm over it

so just deal with the ideas i've raised but then again if you're not going to read this then why am I bothering replying

FIGJAM

[elemental]

I agree that it is harder to get into this scene when u cant meet other DJ's / producers face to face ... BUT we are now in the internet age, I pass people tunes thru MSN or AIM these days, so it really dont matter where you are .. and if u want examples of producers outside London look at L-Wiz (Sweden), Moving Ninja (Oz), Boxcutter (Northern Ireland).

No-one is refusing to share music. All it takes is getting in touch with producers/labels you're feeling, earn their TRUST and dont come with some badman attitude because that will turn people off immediately. If u call that 'eating ass' then good luck to ya.

My advice to you: let the music do the talking.