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Post by renegatus » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:15 pm

More clubs selling ginger beer.

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Post by BaronVon » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:27 pm

Renegatus wrote:More clubs selling ginger beer.
Toooooooooo fuckin right. Been saying this for time
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Post by thomas » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:28 pm

^ Dun know

the lable of that rum looks suspect though, id avoid for Mount Gay myself.

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Post by dubluke » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:29 pm

you guys are very right

baron i can tell that you have fine taste in drinks as well as food, if you are at leeds DMZ we must engage in drinking, actually let me know if you are coming and i'll PM you my number nearer the time so i can find you in the dance, would be good to meet you
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Post by BaronVon » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:35 pm

dubluke wrote:you guys are very right

baron i can tell that you have fine taste in drinks as well as food, if you are at leeds DMZ we must engage in drinking, actually let me know if you are coming and i'll PM you my number nearer the time so i can find you in the dance, would be good to meet you
Will do mate, likewise :4: . Leeds is the one though cheaper drinks prices. Dragon Stout for £2 :o :o
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Post by renegatus » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:35 pm

Baron_von_Carlton wrote:
Toooooooooo fuckin right. Been saying this for time
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Post by BaronVon » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:36 pm

Thomas wrote:^ Dun know

the lable of that rum looks suspect though, id avoid for Mount Gay myself.
Nah it's good shit actually prefer it to Mount Gay. Label is shonky though :D
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Post by dubluke » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:47 pm

Baron_von_Carlton wrote:
dubluke wrote:you guys are very right

baron i can tell that you have fine taste in drinks as well as food, if you are at leeds DMZ we must engage in drinking, actually let me know if you are coming and i'll PM you my number nearer the time so i can find you in the dance, would be good to meet you
Will do mate, likewise :4: . Leeds is the one though cheaper drinks prices. Dragon Stout for £2 :o :o
:o big it, i'm so used to paying london prices i'll probably go fucking crazy on the stout and end up like corpsey :o :o :cry:

shall be a good one, see you then
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Re: positive things the scene needs

Post by __________ » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:49 pm

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I think more good quality studio mixes from interesting artists, focused ones, on their beats, their label, their town..


an all Skull Disco studio mix..
or a Deep Medi..

an all Bristol 08 studio mix...

a lost dubs studio mix..
^^ that and i'd like to say more high quality mp3 mixes. i've got enough dubstep mixes that are full of sickening tunes, but the mp3 is a 128 or 192.
this is bass heavy music, we want as many of the original frequencies from the mix as possible. there's a juju mix that is a 320, and i've listened to this many times because of this.

i'd also like to see people making more upbeat and 'fast' dubstep.
too many people are making dark, moody, minimal, occasionally boring dubstep just for the sake of it (it seems)

more pacey dubstep like the stuff benga is making please!

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Post by elgato » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:59 pm

£10 Bag wrote:^^ that and i'd like to say more high quality mp3 mixes. i've got enough dubstep mixes that are full of sickening tunes, but the mp3 is a 128 or 192.
this is bass heavy music, we want as many of the original frequencies from the mix as possible. there's a juju mix that is a 320, and i've listened to this many times because of this.
its not that straightforward though, because there is a question of how producers feel about their beats getting distributed at 320, even if they are mixed, and as a dj your first concern will usually be the feelings of any producers who have been kind enough to link you beats

as a general point, studio mixes are good as statements, but radio is the lifeblood of the scene and imo a big part of what keeps it vital, so that for me is more important, and what makes things like Sub FM and Streamizm so needed (as well as Rinse and React of course)

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Post by m9918868 » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:19 pm

elgato wrote:its not that straightforward though, because there is a question of how producers feel about their beats getting distributed at 320, even if they are mixed, and as a dj your first concern will usually be the feelings of any producers who have been kind enough to link you beats
They could shove in some continuous background noise. Like the birds on that Skream mix (August 2005? Christ, is it that long ago?).

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Post by low density matter » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:23 pm

i understand the 2 step roots, although I dont think they are as relevant as they used to be in the sound, and I think thats a good thing, no good looking back all the time.
I do respect the fact that the foundations of Dubstep which were set in the Garage movement came at time in which international awareness and input to the scene was minimal,and therefore understand that it is bound to have a lower relevance to those who did not witness its evolution and growth through pirate radio.

All said though... the fact that 2-step holds less relevance at present is niether here nor there...in my mind as a Dj and producer,it is the responsibilty of listeners and artists of any genre to understand its genetics and be able to cross-reference current production in context to its original source,or it runs the risk of becoming diluted from it's true essence...after all what gave "Dubstep" its "step"?

Don't get me wrong im not looking for 2-step to rule the land,but all you have to do is look at what happened to d&b musically in the post Platinum Breaks Vol.1 and Black Secret Technologies era to see how easily such a huge pool of creativity and originality can be narrowed over a relatively short period through a detatchment from its source.

Dubstep to me is a very open book right now full of tallented artists that are dealing with new fusions of ideas and sounds constantly,and this is something which i support whole heartedly...i just like to see it done consciously and with full respect to the underlying values of the sound.

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Post by thomas e. griffin » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:37 pm

Thomas wrote:^ Dun know

the lable of that rum looks suspect though, id avoid for Mount Gay myself.
Sailor jerry's is where it's at. A righteous blend.

And no. We've never met. You're from Liverpool though aren't ya, so I'm sure our paths will cross at some point. Support your hometown scene and get down to a dreadnought!! Ha.

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Post by martyn » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:37 pm

elgato wrote:
£10 Bag wrote:^^ that and i'd like to say more high quality mp3 mixes. i've got enough dubstep mixes that are full of sickening tunes, but the mp3 is a 128 or 192.
this is bass heavy music, we want as many of the original frequencies from the mix as possible. there's a juju mix that is a 320, and i've listened to this many times because of this.
What exactly is the difference between asking for 320 mp3 mixes by certain artists highlighting a certain label, town or artist and just saying you don't want to pay for a mix cd ?

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Post by __________ » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:51 pm

martyn wrote:
elgato wrote:
£10 Bag wrote:^^ that and i'd like to say more high quality mp3 mixes. i've got enough dubstep mixes that are full of sickening tunes, but the mp3 is a 128 or 192.
this is bass heavy music, we want as many of the original frequencies from the mix as possible. there's a juju mix that is a 320, and i've listened to this many times because of this.
What exactly is the difference between asking for 320 mp3 mixes by certain artists highlighting a certain label, town or artist and just saying you don't want to pay for a mix cd ?
i don't buy cds, i don't think they're worth the money.
vinyl, expensive as it is, costs quite a bit to make so i understand why its pricey.

cds must cost 50p inc sleeve when they're mass produced. i'm not going to spend £11 for a mix cd.

high quality mp3 mixes are a good form of promotion in my opinion.
i bought two of juju's dubstep tunes after hearing his dubstep mix -
i wouldn't have bought those tunes had i not listened to his free mix.
i wouldn't have listened to his mix as many times as i have (making me want the tunes in it) if it wasn't a 320.

still, i'm not a fan of cds at all so i'm probably in the minority

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Post by shonky » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:53 pm

£10 Bag wrote: still, i'm not a fan of cds at all so i'm probably in the minority
Nah same here. Keep it luddite :wink:
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Post by 2kloned » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:54 pm

slowlygoingdeaf wrote:more sub bass.

Yes

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Post by little boh peep » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:13 pm

£10 Bag wrote:high quality mp3 mixes are a good form of promotion in my opinion.
i bought two of juju's dubstep tunes after hearing his dubstep mix -
i wouldn't have bought those tunes had i not listened to his free mix.
This is how I've always seen mixes - good blending of a good selection is an advertisement for the music.

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Post by __________ » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:34 pm

Little Boh Peep wrote:
£10 Bag wrote:high quality mp3 mixes are a good form of promotion in my opinion.
i bought two of juju's dubstep tunes after hearing his dubstep mix -
i wouldn't have bought those tunes had i not listened to his free mix.
This is how I've always seen mixes - good blending of a good selection is an advertisement for the music.
exactly!
there's always going to be people bootlegging music, no matter what quality the original file is.

the amount of people stealing music from high-quality mixes would be offset by the amount of people actually BUYING tunes from that mix because they can actually hear the bassline properly.
its like online record shops, i'm sure people would buy even more music if they could hear it properly in the preview. 32kbps/64kbps mp3s do not even count as a preview imo.



i think right now, dubstep also needs a bigger variety of producers' tunes being played by the big name djs.

more djs need to take the bunzero approach and mix anything, regardless of where it is from geographically, and how well known the producer is.
skream, benga, dmz et al are all fantastic, but it would be nice to see these people repping other producers and crews than their own.
dubstep seems to be dominated by the london sound - as great as it is - there's also other people making good dubstep.

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Post by renegatus » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:17 pm

£10 Bag wrote: more djs need to take the bunzero approach and mix anything, regardless of where it is from geographically, and how well known the producer is.
skream, benga, dmz et al are all fantastic, but it would be nice to see these people repping other producers and crews than their own.
dubstep seems to be dominated by the london sound - as great as it is - there's also other people making good dubstep.
I've been hunting for dubplates from local producers and friends. Seems to me like that's how this whole thing started, so why not carry it on? Plus, it makes the producers feel awesome when their tune is dropped and everyone asks for a rewind.
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