positive things the scene needs

[martyn]

i don't buy cds, i don't think they're worth the money.
vinyl, expensive as it is, costs quite a bit to make so i understand why its pricey.

cds must cost 50p inc sleeve when they're mass produced. i'm not going to spend £11 for a mix cd.

high quality mp3 mixes are a good form of promotion in my opinion.

Well manufacturing a cd might cost 50p but have u ever thought about the music on there and the artists making that music? and the label releasing it? distribution to get it to your local shop? that is why a cd costs more than just 50p. Same goes for vinyl. You must agree people who put their heart in the music need to be rewarded for it.

i agree mixes can be a form of promotion but where is the line between promoting your music and selling your music ? I think 320kbps mp3 mixes with a labels' or artists' back catalogue is the same as a free mix cd - its not promoting anyone if people just download mixes and not buy the music. I'm not attacking you personally but you and I both know many people just download the music and never spend a penny.

[shonky]

i don't buy cds, i don't think they're worth the money.
vinyl, expensive as it is, costs quite a bit to make so i understand why its pricey.

cds must cost 50p inc sleeve when they're mass produced. i'm not going to spend £11 for a mix cd.

high quality mp3 mixes are a good form of promotion in my opinion.

Well manufacturing a cd might cost 50p but have u ever thought about the music on there and the artists making that music? and the label releasing it? distribution to get it to your local shop? that is why a cd costs more than just 50p. Same goes for vinyl. You must agree people who put their heart in the music need to be rewarded for it.

i agree mixes can be a form of promotion but where is the line between promoting your music and selling your music ? I think 320kbps mp3 mixes with a labels' or artists' back catalogue is the same as a free mix cd - its not promoting anyone if people just download mixes and not buy the music. I'm not attacking you personally but you and I both know many people just download the music and never spend a penny.

Well personally speaking, I heard your tunes on a few sub shows, asked who it was and then went out and bought it (where it was available). Don't really have enough time in the week to listen to loads of mix cd's and I've got a few shows I always try to lock into if I have the time and the inclination.

It's obvious that some people are always gonna want something for nothing, but for the supporters you do good trade and get paid for the effort. Plenty of mixes I've downloaded for nowt and then bought the tracks as they became available, but then that's on the 128 level anyway. Quality shines through regardless of the audiophilic tendencies. If it needs to be 320 to indicate it's a good song then it probably isn't

[martyn]

oh yeah ofcourse dont get me wrong, I think its great that theres so many people doing radio and putting those shows online full with tunes, very happy they put mine in there sometimes as well but i just think theres a difference between a subfm show with lots of tunes and talking etc and a 320 mp3 studio mix with for instance all the deep medi catalogue.

and as for audiophilic purposes, unless you are the proud owner of the iration steppaz sound system in your bedroom I dont think it really matters if the radio show is recorded in 128 or 320

[shonky]

and as for audiophilic purposes, unless you are the proud owner of the iration steppaz sound system in your bedroom I dont think it really matters if the radio show is recorded in 128 or 320

Yeah true, can't hear much below 40hz or so on my system without some eviction-threatening volume, so can't say I'm that bothered.

[taal mala]

i don't buy cds, i don't think they're worth the money.
vinyl, expensive as it is, costs quite a bit to make so i understand why its pricey.

cds must cost 50p inc sleeve when they're mass produced. i'm not going to spend £11 for a mix cd.

high quality mp3 mixes are a good form of promotion in my opinion.

Well manufacturing a cd might cost 50p but have u ever thought about the music on there and the artists making that music? and the label releasing it? distribution to get it to your local shop? that is why a cd costs more than just 50p. Same goes for vinyl. You must agree people who put their heart in the music need to be rewarded for it.

i agree mixes can be a form of promotion but where is the line between promoting your music and selling your music ? I think 320kbps mp3 mixes with a labels' or artists' back catalogue is the same as a free mix cd - its not promoting anyone if people just download mixes and not buy the music. I'm not attacking you personally but you and I both know many people just download the music and never spend a penny.

yes martyn...

i like to put out mixes for free, they are a good promo tool most definately. I will put out an mp3 mix @ 192kbps, good enough for home listening/headphones etc.. but sounds shite on proper system for a good reason. I've known many a fassyman that like to go round cutting bits of tracks out of people's mixes (I've had it happen to me) and will never buy the record. Putting a track on a mix at low quality lets people know about the music, and prevents people from playing out bad quality sound. I know that people have ripped my tracks of my mix/myspace page, and I heard them played, but playing a shit quality mp3 on a large rig will make that person realize that if they really want to be playing that track, they should buy the vinyl, and if it's an exclusive dub, then they shouldn't have it in the first place.

[__________]

i don't buy cds, i don't think they're worth the money.
vinyl, expensive as it is, costs quite a bit to make so i understand why its pricey.

cds must cost 50p inc sleeve when they're mass produced. i'm not going to spend £11 for a mix cd.

high quality mp3 mixes are a good form of promotion in my opinion.

Well manufacturing a cd might cost 50p but have u ever thought about the music on there and the artists making that music? and the label releasing it? distribution to get it to your local shop? that is why a cd costs more than just 50p. Same goes for vinyl. You must agree people who put their heart in the music need to be rewarded for it.

i agree mixes can be a form of promotion but where is the line between promoting your music and selling your music ? I think 320kbps mp3 mixes with a labels' or artists' back catalogue is the same as a free mix cd - its not promoting anyone if people just download mixes and not buy the music. I'm not attacking you personally but you and I both know many people just download the music and never spend a penny.

i see where you're coming from, but personally i don't take music that seriously.

i do believe that people who pour their heart and soul into music deserve some money for it, but i also think....if you're putting so much effort into making a living out of music and chasing up each skint 17 year old who's limewiring your shit, you need to step back and ask yourself why you're making tunes.
people are meant to enjoy the music! fair enough that skint 17 year old is 'stealing' your tunes and might not buy them later, but at least he's enjoying it, he's playing it loud, he's pissing his neighbours off, he's telling all his mates about this SICK new producer he'd never heard of etc.

i'm not saying limewiring people's music on a large scale is ok, i'm saying it has positive results as well as the well-publicised negative ones.

as for cds, i have a problem paying for binary code that i know i could easily download and burn myself. fair enough my cd wouldn't have the artwork, but cd artwork is pretty shit anyway. the cases break easily, cds have a distinctly finite lifespan, there's many reasons i'd never pay for a mix on cd.

mix cds are very easily copied or uploaded to a torrent site as well - much easier than it would be to cut a tune from a 320 mix and upload it.
a mix cd would be better quality than a 256 or 320 mp3, and it only takes one person to upload it to a torrent site before its worldwide on thousands of hard drives, plus the tracks are usually already separated on the mix cd, saving people the hassle of chopping up a 2-hour long mix.

if someone is desperate to download a copy of one of your tunes, they could have two options, the 128kbps mp3 on limewire, or they could download your latest mix that is at 320kbps, which also contains 15 of your other tunes - thus promoting your music. everyone is a winner this way, mr. skint bastard gets your tune he's always wanted, and you get to promote your music.

big rant haha








we need a dmz album by the way

[RubiconMan]

dubstep allstars 6.....appleblim - your time.....please?

[*grand*]

Personally i would like to see more events which are being backed specifically by radio stations and their resident Dj's ...i know im waiting for a Sub FM event

A greater awareness by the masses re Dubstep's actual roots in 2-step and the rich music heritage that came before the movement as we know it.

Also..this is probably old hat,but most importantly to me,i want to see a new era of producers taking this music forward in their own hands,with the majority of artists producing what they actually feel is good and not what a specific group of people determin is...sorry had to say it,no offence intended!

"more hunters and fewer farmers"

bravo.

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[thomas]

^ Dun know

the lable of that rum looks suspect though, id avoid for Mount Gay myself.

And no. We've never met. You're from Liverpool though aren't ya, so I'm sure our paths will cross at some point. Support your hometown scene and get down to a dreadnought!! Ha.

Ahh, for some mad reason i thought you might have been hinting towards me with the comment, paranoria's a killer.

I used to live a good 15 miles from Liverpool, which is a pain for travel, but your right i need to support one of these days. Make it sooner i think.

While i'm on it, more varied nights outside London wouldnt be a bad thing. Sometimes i think im missing too much.