pigeon holing...

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:16 pm

Slothrop wrote:
Shonky wrote:
UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:Not everyone is going to like every single dubstep release or style of dubstep, no biggie. Pointless trying to fight the inevitable.
Indeed, seems quite strange to think otherwise.
Yeah, I sometimes worry that a couple of years down the line dubstep's going to be in something a bit like an abusive relationship where everyone's going to be going "god I hate all those tunes and those nights, they're totally ruining the scene,but we've got to keep it all together because subgenres killed drum and bass."

I think what killed drum and bass was most of the music running out of ideas about 10 years ago

I think it's ridiculous to think that someone liking the mid-range squawkers is necessarily going to like Mala or Burial too. I think about music more in terms of vibe now and I think there are closer musical comparisons in completely different genres than in dubstep now.

fractal · Post by **fractal** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:35 pm

yeah, no need for further labeling...

but isnt only mixing dubstep another form of pigeon holing?

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:01 pm

Playing devil's advocate here, another question is how can we actually talk about what stuff sounds like without labelling it? I mean, if I say that Rusko plays upfront party tunes with a lot of wobble bass and 2562 play stripped down understated stuff that draws influence from minimal techno that's fine, but if I say that Rusko plays jumpup dubstep and 2562 plays minimal dubstep then I'm killing the scene? Or do I have to deny that Rusko and 2562 play quite different sounding stuff?

Surely what went wrong with dnb wasn't the existence of words to describe specific styles, but the idea that you have to make tunes that fit neatly into those styles and that DJs should only play tunes that fit one of those style and that if you like one style you should hate all other styles. But that's going to happen to some extent anyway, it's just we'll talk about 'generic Rusko knockoffs' or 'techy 2562 influenced stuff' rather than jumpup tunes and minimal tunes.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:07 pm

Btw, I really like the variety of dubstep and I think the mixing and mashing and cross pollination between the different strands of the sound is a really great thing about it, and I love the fact that I can hear Dusk & Blackdown playing deep garagey tunes and Rusko and Caspa playing tearout wobble in the same evening, I just think that developing an almost superstitous fear of giving names to styles is kind of missing the point.

For instance, I'm not bothered if people want to talk about jumpup tunes, I'm more bothered if people are going to get snobby about 'obvious' or 'cheesy' or 'fun' elements and start deliberately avoiding them, and I think that if that happens, it'll happen whether they're calling them 'jumpup' elements or not.

sand leaper · Post by **sand leaper** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:56 pm

"Pigeonholes are there to be shat in."

- Mark N, Bloody Fist

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:00 pm

For me this is what dubsteps about. Freedom of expression and being able to do something different every time. When Benga writes a tune he doesnt set out to write a particular genre...
Its about Not having to stick to set rules and when asked, what do you mix I say, Everything but Dubstep is where its at. It really pisses me off when im playing out and i get drum and bass heads comin up to me saying, oh thats that jump up dubstep or thats real techstep. Fuck that I say. If its a good tune its a good tune and if its dubstep its fucking dubstep know what i mean?! I love this scene ive given up a lot to be a part of it and Im not going to let chin stroking wannabe stnuc try and destroy the genre by over complicating things. I reckon a lot of people will agree with me too. Thats why we are all in this and believe in it.

Keep it minimal. brap

superisk · Post by **superisk** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:03 pm

Aslong as DJs play a varied set then all will be good. Give the crowd reason to pigeon hole, then we might see it going the same way as dnb.

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:03 pm

Kazuo wrote:
Shonky wrote: Can't imagine someone going into a dubstep night being into every possible style as quite a lot of them seem utterly unrelated now.
hmm just enjoy dubstep like a magical box full of tunes, all different from one another and like a tune or not like it... i wouldnt regard it as "subgenres" because a good set for me has them all mixed up to create diversion, tension and keep me interested. funky steppers, wonky bangers, dubby skankers and everything in between (theres a lot!!) ...thats what makes dubstep dubstep for me.

bang on bruv

the decoy · Post by **the decoy** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:25 am

I drank too much one and ended up getting pigeonholed. it was not a fun time. in fact, it happened year ago and I still can't walk in a circle without cooing.

bagelator · Post by **bagelator** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:03 am

dubluke wrote:its all just good music innit

you rack em up, i´ll smack em down

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:06 am

problem is it is not 'all' 'good' 'music' these days.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:38 am

relaks wrote:problem is it is not 'all' 'good' 'music' these days.

There has never been a genre where the majority of the music wasn't. When loads of people were reminiscing about the great tunes of the 60's, history had carefully forgotten the ridiculous amount of pap that was in the charts alongside it

littleredraver · Post by **littleredraver** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:15 pm

I think it's ridiculous to think that someone liking the mid-range squawkers is necessarily going to like Mala or Burial too.

I think you should go and try to drown yourself in a puddle

Just because a person likes dancefloor tracks, DOES NOT give anyone any reason to think that they do not like the more "intelligent

" tune.

Surely to have an open mind about things is the way forward, things can only sound one way for so long. Variety is the spice of life

Clownstep is on its way LOL

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:38 pm

LittleRedRaver wrote:
I think it's ridiculous to think that someone liking the mid-range squawkers is necessarily going to like Mala or Burial too.
I think you should go and try to drown yourself in a puddle

Just because a person likes dancefloor tracks, DOES NOT give anyone any reason to think that they do not like the more "intelligent " tune.

Surely to have an open mind about things is the way forward, things can only sound one way for so long. Variety is the spice of life

Clownstep is on its way LOL

I said not necessarily, not wouldn't.

kulture · Post by **kulture** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:59 pm

NO MUSIC EVER NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO A LITTLE BOX THAT SOME NERD DESIDES THE NAME FOR

dubble · Post by **dubble** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:02 pm

Kulture wrote:NO MUSIC EVER NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO A LITTLE BOX THAT SOME NERD DESIDES THE NAME FOR

Decides*

umkhontowesizwe · Post by **umkhontowesizwe** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:05 pm

Kulture wrote:NO MUSIC EVER NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO A LITTLE BOX THAT SOME NERD DESIDES THE NAME FOR

I guess we should just go back to calling dubstep garage then? Actually scrap that, cos garage is just house etc. etc. etc.

Why all the genre hate, it's natural to categorize things.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:30 pm

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:
Kulture wrote:NO MUSIC EVER NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO A LITTLE BOX THAT SOME NERD DESIDES THE NAME FOR

I guess we should just go back to calling dubstep garage then? Actually scrap that, cos garage is just house etc. etc. etc.

This forum should be renamed 'just music y'know forum'.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:30 pm

Genres don't make predictable music, people make predictable music.

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:43 pm

pigeon holing...

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