NY Dubstep / Jungle Party Proposition...

[dj vision]

In Houston we have a couple dubstep monthly parties and all the other times dubstep is played at parties with DNB and electro house

Last weekend at a rave there was a couple electro house DJ's, one DNB DJ, and a DJ that played a mixture of dubstep and glitch hop

our scenes are kind of unified, because electro house, while it is mainstream and played at the clubs, it still is enjoyed in the underground

i think the unification is because of the hip hop dominance in Houston, and so all the real music has to stick together

[secretagentgel]

^^werd goddess. So how about dubstep/breakstep/2step/breakbeat garage/garage parties instead and fuck right off with the jungle and dnb shit ?

It's called Rowdy! and the next one is at reboot on June 14th. Tho we're always up for a bit of dnb/jungle.

[ragazza bassa]

jess...we talked a bit about this and sharing your jungle roots i'm feeling where you're coming from.
i also feel the disappointment in the decline of the jungle/dnb scene in the past 6-8 years. in MY opinion, things hit a plateau circa 2002 and that was it--everything since then has been garbage--again--IN MY OPINION!

granted, there is a logical progression (no pun intended) within any genre and it is interesting to see the crossover with djs/producers reflected in dubstep.

i understand you are not trying to reinvent the wheel with this one--lets face it, the era of mid 90s jungle scene in ny will never ever ever exist again (sad ) however with the rise of other genres, i really wonder if it has a strong leg to stand on, or will it get overshadowed by the nights currently in progress because of the natural evolution occurring.

i have been to SNOS--once--(to see digital) however, i can't say that i'll go back. the music is not the same nor are the kids that create the scene.
i am ALLLLL for this one and appreciate you bringing this up--god knows we love the old school sound...

but as food for thought, can something really survive if it is not progressing?

xxox

[tacospheros]

but just as you said tho you havent been into jungle since 2002. the kids may not be the same but the sound is the same , you just have to look for the good stuff. every jungle party isnt an amazing representation of where the sound is at like Dubwar, cuz dubwar is fresh. jungle has years and years of history to draw upon and some of that history sucks, admittedly. on the same note not every dubstep tune is amazing , and thats life . dubstep is progressing at a noted pace whereas jungle has been going for 15+ years , making it hard to tap into where the sound and the people are at nowadays


but there has been a ton of progression , especially recently. ive had tons of amazing nights of jungle in the past 3-4 years , in my opinion thats when it started to get interesting again . and its damn sure interesting nowadays


im really not trying to argue, i just feel jess's disappointment at the fact that these 2 "scenes" are coexisting in the same places, and alot of the people are the same even , but there hasnt been more direct crossover.



basically people on both sides are missing out . but not me , cuz i go to both

[dq]

can something really survive if it is not progressing?

i hear you there. for me jungle from 95 to 2000 was close to my heart and will always be. and when i hear it now it is a celebration of something that formed a big part of my musical progression in the past. but it is just that, an appreciation of something historical like playing dub reggae or 2-step garage or old soul. i have nuff respect for what the innovators achieved during that time, and think dubstep is a continuation of what they started, which is why i think putting jungle and dubstep side by side usually doesn't work for me personally... one is past and one is present. but obviously that's just a matter of personal opinion and people who feel like dnb continues to offer creative progression should promote what they believe in.

[safeasfuck]

what are you lot on about?

everyone needs to drop their ego their genre their scene and most importantly their attitude

all i see in this thread are people chatting shit about how great it USED to be, and how they havent been out in years..... do i even have to explain that one further?

the only thing "dividing" these "scenes" is shitty attitudes and talks about where the people and the music belong


some people who get booked for jungle will play dubstep and the crowd(not going there to hear dubstep) fucking love it (marcus visionary)

some people get booked for dubstep will play jungle and the crowd(not going there to hear jungle)fucking love it (tomb crew)

[parson]

i'm playin konkrete jungle in june

[ragazza bassa]

what are you lot on about?

everyone needs to drop their ego their genre their scene and most importantly their attitude

all i see in this thread are people chatting shit about how great it USED to be, and how they havent been out in years..... do i even have to explain that one further?

the only thing "dividing" these "scenes" is shitty attitudes and talks about where the people and the music belong


some people who get booked for jungle will play dubstep and the crowd(not going there to hear dubstep) fucking love it (marcus visionary)

some people get booked for dubstep will play jungle and the crowd(not going there to hear jungle)fucking love it (tomb crew)

wow...

[jess_is_not_ok]

some people who get booked for jungle will play dubstep and the crowd(not going there to hear dubstep) fucking love it (marcus visionary)

some people get booked for dubstep will play jungle and the crowd(not going there to hear jungle)fucking love it (tomb crew)

i was at both nights, and I agree... they were both sick. BUT, you cant say PEOPLE in general loved it. that is not true. i heard several people making fun of jungle and just being like...this is too fast, this is too whatever at trouble and bass when tomb crew was droppin the jungle anthems. same with visionary. i am not trying to recruit one scene to the other...i'm simply saying i like them both... do you think a party where both genres showcased could work since there are way too many narrow minded people that are only pro dubstep. sheesh.

no one is talking about reliving the past. i mentioned looking to recreate a NASA era vibe... but that is TIMELESS, many of my friends still have that nature. the only criticism i could ever have is for people who think they are 'better' than a type of music. tis all.

if joe nice can play lisa lisa and cult jam at the end dubwar, there must be room for jungle and dubstep under one roof.

[human?]

i'm playin konkrete jungle in june

im sayin lol...


if you dont enjoy jungle anymore, so be it (not you parson, in general lol)

but that doesnt mean its no longer "progressive"


when jakes raps on a dnb track its any less progressive than when hes on the dubstep buttons? when benny page works at 140 its any less progressive than 180? why R.A.W. goes by 6Blocc all of a sudden its innovation? breakage? martyn?

nah. its all progression.

and youve got your heads who are more into one sound than another whatever, and you got your heads that are all over the place everywhere..

potential is infinite. the map is not the territory.

and if you are jaded on the jungles, look harder, the goods are there, more new hot things than i can keep up with even...

btw, bay b kane was killin it with teh wobbles in like 93, theres nothin new under the sun... music is life expression.. the technology advances & different frequencies & tempos resonate in particular times & places.. but here and now im into modulation

so word, like i said in the first post i made in this thread, jess, lets go find a spot & get the lineup and THEN come to teh boards

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human?

[jess_is_not_ok]

...otays, you're right.

[secretagentgel]

if joe nice can play lisa lisa and cult jam at the end dubwar, there must be room for jungle and dubstep under one roof.

I would just say, as has been pointed out, there already is. So I'm still not sure what it is yre actually after?

[dq]

there are way too many narrow minded people that are only pro dubstep.

I've never met a single person who fits this description.

[jess_is_not_ok]

there are way too many narrow minded people that are only pro dubstep.

I've never met a single person who fits this description.

i'm not trying to argue here, just pointing out that in my personal experience and in the context of this post which is discussing jungle and dubstep, yes, i have encountered quite a few people who are not pro jungle and are only pro dubstep. this is not [entirely] a criticism.

what i was trying to say was there are way too many people who bash jungle just because they like dubstep more. there are tons of people who fit that description.

[slothrop]

tomb crew was droppin the jungle anthems.

Do they normally do that?

They're on at a thing I'm going to in a few weeks and if they're playing a bunch of classic jungle I'll be over the moon...

[parson]

i think when a lot of people are dissing dnb, they are not dissing the genre, but the dominant direction the genre has taken in recent years.

i think we all love us some jungle.

[blk plague]

jess,

so long as the music and vibes are right then im there, no long thing!
allow the arguing, more boogie, MORE BASSLINE!!

[seckle]

what are you lot on about?

everyone needs to drop their ego their genre their scene and most importantly their attitude

all i see in this thread are people chatting shit about how great it USED to be, and how they havent been out in years..... do i even have to explain that one further?

the only thing "dividing" these "scenes" is shitty attitudes and talks about where the people and the music belong


some people who get booked for jungle will play dubstep and the crowd(not going there to hear dubstep) fucking love it (marcus visionary)

some people get booked for dubstep will play jungle and the crowd(not going there to hear jungle)fucking love it (tomb crew)

nice way to polarize this discussion. now you're basically saying that we HAVE to love jungle or else we're being "elitist". i've been a supporter in the nyc jungle scene for a minute now, and ^this kind of militant "support the scene" thing is totally counterproductive. no one likes having a group of people push things on people.

people can't be forced into anything. the anti-jungle agenda that you're trying to establish, weakens your whole point. it's revisionist.

never once anywhere on this board or on the breakfastscience board have you seen anybody tell you that you have to like dubstep. if you like it; cool. if you hate it; cool as well.

it's this kind of religious "support the scene" furvor which i personally cannot stand.

let the music do the talking, and if the music ain't doing the talking then it starts smelling like an agenda.

[seckle]

there are way too many narrow minded people that are only pro dubstep.

I've never met a single person who fits this description.

i'm not trying to argue here, just pointing out that in my personal experience and in the context of this post which is discussing jungle and dubstep, yes, i have encountered quite a few people who are not pro jungle and are only pro dubstep. this is not [entirely] a criticism.

what i was trying to say was there are way too many people who bash jungle just because they like dubstep more. there are tons of people who fit that description.

what if i'm pro-disco, and anti-house, but on a saturday night sometimes i might be pro jungle? does that fit into your agenda? is that narrowminded enough?

[seckle]

find a spot & get the lineup and THEN come to teh boards

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human?

more of this and less pro-dubstep, anti-lovestep yadda yadda yadda. let the dj's do the talking.