the literal "fabric" of space/time, meaning the "ingredients" necessary for something like space/time to even exist (regardless of what form or forms it exists in), only came into existence after the big bang. so, in that sense, space/time simply couldn't exist before the big bang. put painfully simply, for space to exist, there must be matter that takes up "space". also, for time to exist, there must be matter that begins, deteriorates, and then ends.Le_Hardcore_Chiefus wrote:where did the time space come from b4 the big bang...?
yeah eart stars planets etc came after big bang ....where did that bang come from and the space it happened in......spaced out man
of course, not like i "know" this stuff. i just read it all somewhere, its not me that "gets" it, you know? its not like we actually "get" calculus, but we can use the formulas, if we trust the sources.
what fucks me up is the consideration that what all this suggests is that everything we intellectually experience, which is wholly and entirely based on the belief of a very real "space and time" that exists somehow outside of ourselves, is also in turn wholly and entirely based on the existence of matter. or, at the very least, on matter existing in the form that it does. its fucked up, because we don't consider our personal, internal, emotional, "human" selves to be nothing but based on matter existing in some mode. we don't think of our "happiness", or our "desire", or particular personalities and so on, to be based entirely on the physical existence of physical matter. but, for there to even be a concept of "space/time", from which everything else in the physical universe follows, there must be matter of some sort in some form.
here's where it really starts to get deep, though. you guys are getting into, just by asking some simple questions, the realm of "spirituality". i don't separate spirituality from the mundaneness of every-day life. its not like theres this "spiritual world" over here, and over there is the "practical, real world". they're both one in the same. that said, the practical realities of, say, quantum physics or whatever, under reasoned analysis, become themselves spiritual, right?
now, we start to see where the usual talk of God and other extremely popular topics in spirituality become suspect. their flaws start to stick out in nasty ways. Christians, for example, usually speak of God as a literally existing being more or less separate from His Creation. if that were so, if God literally "exists" as all other things that "exist" do, but also separate from them, then that literally "existing" God MUST be in some material form. now that doesn't mean we will see this material god-thing right away. like "dark matter", or like the gravitational stress on one planet thats visible proves the existence of another that's not, often things cant be directly observed, BUT THEY WILL STILL BE PROVEN BY INDIRECT INFERENCE.
the thing is, without even questioning the existence of the Creator and Source, theres a conflict, and inconsistency. as i mentioned, for god to literally exist, meaning for god to exist in a form where "he", as an individual and separate entity, could create and affect physical matter, as the christians clearly state, he would himself have to be existing in the same "form", on the same "plane". basicly, God, if he is separate from but also the source of absolutely all things, would have to exist in the very dimensions we do (you know, length, width, height, time, and the others i don't grasp).
what this then means is this: god, since he must be a dimensional creature as we are, and as all matter is, then he must have a physical form (even "energy" qualifies. a cloud of interstellar gas qualifies), that physical form must take up space (of course) in a specific location (though it could travel), and most of all: for God to exist in this form, for anything to exist in any form, there must be a "source". all things that exist do so only because of causes and conditions coming together to make that "thing". due to that very fact of causes and conditions, every single material "thing" is in a state of change, its all in flux, nothing remains permanent. it cant. as long as there is causes and conditions, there is change, there is "impermanence".
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