Whats missing?

xthewiddler · Post by **xthewiddler** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:18 am

i've tried some pads, but didnt like them, i want somethihng to sit in the back with the bass to hold the musical melody, but not take away from the starkness and openess of the track

any help or ideas would be great! thanks

http://bikinieditorial.com/yoni/wid/voicestest.mp3

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:28 am

nice track man, does defo need something tho, maybe some discreet strings lurking in background, or some delayed highend ambienty blips over a few notes every couple of bars

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would love a 320 when you figure it out tho

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:40 am

Some nice reverb'd / echo'd stabs might go pretty well I think, its sounding pretty top as it is, although it is missing something.

As Darkmatter said maybe some strings, some slow quiet strings would actually go pretty nice I think.

zoosh · Post by **zoosh** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:38 am

Very nice track mate.
Not sure it needs anythin, maybe snare needs bringing out more.

know-u · Post by **know-u** » Tue May 20, 2008 11:47 am

First of all sweet Production.
Not sure it needs too musch, but i can agree with Legendary & Darkmatter, even along the lines of the off beat string reverbed stab's, really nice & washed out, would work well with the stutter on the vocal.

POND LIFE · Post by **POND LIFE** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:50 pm

i definitely agree with soft strings. i know zero about musical theory but some sort of counter-melody? does that mean anything? basically a melody that plays in the background but nicely complements whats already there.

osk · Post by **osk** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:53 pm

Err, bass? There doesn't seem to be any over here.

breakbait · Post by **breakbait** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:56 pm

Osk wrote:Err, bass? There doesn't seem to be any over here.

There's some very low sub.

beerz · Post by **beerz** » Tue May 20, 2008 5:12 pm

just wondering where you got that sample. kinda looking for samples like these. great tune too

xthewiddler · Post by **xthewiddler** » Tue May 20, 2008 5:50 pm

thanks eveyrone for these tips and ideas, im gonna try some strings, some blips, maybe some piano if its not too cheesey

Osk wrote:Err, bass? There doesn't seem to be any over here.

hahah yeha man its real low!

as for the sample, its a trifonic song

illustrativesound · Post by **illustrativesound** » Tue May 20, 2008 6:05 pm

when the vocals are present they seem to have enough potencyand reverb to cover the emptyness.... perhaps just low synths either in the background constantly or just in the gaps?

sounds nice anyways

xthewiddler · Post by **xthewiddler** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:45 pm

IllustrativeSound wrote:when the vocals are present they seem to have enough potencyand reverb to cover the emptyness.... perhaps just low synths either in the background constantly or just in the gaps?

sounds nice anyways

thanks

yeah i like how the vocals hold most of the space but there are still gaps

i also have to work on the automation of the vocal effects they are still a bit sloppy coming in and out

wensley · Post by **wensley** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:57 pm

Yeah had a listen, nice track man.

I think it needs a more dominant synth section just to fill out that mid section. Put it just under the vocals maybe? Could also add a couple of rises and fade outs to enhance every 8 bars or so.

I can hear you've double tracked the vocal section, and slightly de-tunned one? Like the tremolo vox underneath. Have a play around with some delay and get some nice tails off the odd syllable to get that repetative echo. Can hear you've used some delay on the vocals but a little more could help them roll with timbre of the track.

xthewiddler · Post by **xthewiddler** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:52 am

i also wanted to ask once again, is the bass too low?

i like how the bass in this song is more of just a sub feeling rather than the emphasis on the bass

whats your take on sub that can only be heard on big systems?

breakbait · Post by **breakbait** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:07 am

xTheWiddler wrote:whats your take on sub that can only be heard on big systems?

I've been thinking this lately. On my tunes recently I've just been having sub and no mid-bass which makes it sound a bit shit on the average persons speakers/hi-fi but I don't really care. This music is meant for big systems with big subs. Dubstep listeners should know that to hear this music properly you need a sub, if they don't, fuck 'em. You know it sounds good, that's all that matters and when people hear it in the dance they'll know it's good too.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:14 am

xTheWiddler wrote:i also wanted to ask once again, is the bass too low?

i like how the bass in this song is more of just a sub feeling rather than the emphasis on the bass

whats your take on sub that can only be heard on big systems?

i liked the bass, it stuck out here but then i was playing it through 'the monitors of truth'.

i think in regard to your original question i like the 'less is more' in this...but made me think, reaktor sound generator could sound good in this (metaphysical Function, skewell) nice tones without having to be strictly musical if that makes sense (probably would if you had the above 2 sound generators that i pointed out).

xthewiddler · Post by **xthewiddler** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:45 am

i dont have reaktor:(

anyways here is take 2, better? worse?

http://bikinieditorial.com/yoni/wid/voicestest2.mp3

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:12 am

personally preferred the first version you put up, this new one sounded a bit too 'pop music' like for me...previous one could have been quite sinister sounding (yeh seriously, i just said sinister). it's your tune though.

know-u · Post by **know-u** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:03 am

Yeah, it does sound a little poppy now, but that's the constant vocal, the sweeps in the back are good, subtle and not too busy, could even get them a little more nasty to try a take a little off the vocal...maybe.

illustrativesound · Post by **illustrativesound** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:36 pm

I can hear(feel) the bass fine, Ive got a pretty good sub under my desk.. maybe bring up a little, 1 octave higher?

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