DEATH to AMERICA

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:15 am

Ra had this to say[being channeled through david wilcock]:

"May we state a very important point, which is that the extent to which an entity is harvestable for fourth density has everything to do with making a choice? This, by its very nature, implies that one must break away from consensus thinking in order to make sufficient choices to be harvestable.

To put it more bluntly, an entity cannot simply be content with a given system of spiritual teaching, follow that system without ever questioning it, and truly be fourth density harvestable, even if that system of thought is one in which service to others is defined as being an essential cornerstone of belief.

May we state quite clearly that true Service to Others is that which comes about through internal deliberation and analysis.

True Service to Others does not mean that you [are required to] go to a soup kitchen and begin spooning out that which is sought after by those who are homeless. True Service to Others does not mean joining the Peace Corps and moving off to some third-world country that is in desperate need of assistance, or otherwise giving of oneself in this externalized form.

Granted, these are expressions of service to others in a certain capacity, but when we state the term Service to Others, we are attempting to use three words to define something which is altogether more nebulous.

The true essence of Service To Others cannot be contained within the overt semantic description that the words provide."

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:22 am

Parson wrote:
Psyolopher wrote:
Parson wrote:and if you are mad then you better report to the guy who isn't mad so he can review whether or not your actions live up to your emotions
Who judges that anyway?
You?
misk was the one demanding a list of actions for him to evaluate

To be fair, not really. He posted the same "What can YOU do to save the world" post that you could see on 100's of internet forums.

But it seems like you guys have some undercurrent of tension anyways.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:25 am

he even used the term soup kitchens

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:27 am

Misk wrote:so, um, out of all the people here who want to "fight the power" and "act local" - what are you doing? What kind of actions have you taken to fight the system? Do you volunteer at a soup kitchen?

see

he's also doing psychotic shit like being all passive aggressive to me and then claiming it wasn't directed at me but at people in general even though its quoting me. then 10 minutes later admits it was outright aggression. then a few minutes later, he's innocent again.

dude is nuts.

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:32 am

'sup with the tension, though?

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:37 am

dude has had a recent habit of subtley picking at me and denying it and i get increasingly frustrated about it

there's a handful of dudes who do it and i call them all out by name

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:48 am

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:51 am

Parson wrote:dude has had a recent habit of subtley picking at me and denying it and i get increasingly frustrated about it

there's a handful of dudes who do it and i call them all out by name

Don't get worked up bruv... You keep this place half-interesting so let the ones who wanna pick pick... People'll see it how they see it anyways..

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:51 am

seriously if i knew misk was going to merk himself this bad over me calling him stupid i wouldn't haven't said it out loud

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:11 am

really, boys. we can settle this right now if you like.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:16 am

bbbut he started it

von · Post by **von** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:07 am

roflcopter @ this thread tbh

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:45 am

Von wrote:roflcopter @ this thread tbh

Ok.No problem.

von · Post by **von** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:11 am

Thanks,

In addition.. individual people should not have to bear the brunt of their countries mistakes. There are people like myself, who are not happy with the way their country is run, and its alot harder than you think to actually BE RECOGNISED & COUNTED to have an influential stance on the way its run. Certain countries have riots and such in a bid to overthrow government, but I don't see that happening to places like England & US.

I may be wrong in the US though as i don't live there, Therefore don't actually know how far you are willing to go to fight for greater good. I know some have done a hell of a lot.

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:02 am

Anyone that's travelled widely
knows that the States aren't THAT fucked
& its people are, generally, friendly and good-willed
if a bit parochial...which I am too.

It'd be around my 30th best place to live (out of 195 nations).
Sweden, with it's projected, holier-than-thou superiority (while selling lots of weapons) would be towards the bottom with intolerant Somalia & Sudan. Which is not to diss the decent citizens of those countries in the same way that many berate yanks.

Leadership is often thrust upon those who would rather not have it but do their best because they feel morally obliged to counter chaos. None of our nations is exempt from corruption nor nepotism so our own empathy, ethics and courage become the bulwark of justice & freedom.

(Band strikes up, flags fly, superhero silhouetted on horizon)

PRECIS: It's simplistic to blame the world on America.

sang-froid · Post by **sang-froid** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:52 am

Some good sense being written on this.

Whilst it's important to exercise ones's critical faculties on a host of nations' leaders, backward practices and ideas the world over, there's a maxim I generally hold to :

THE ENEMY IS AT HOME

cursedc · Post by **cursedc** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:11 pm

Again people are being put against eachother for the gobal elite to swoop in and declare peace....and take away sovereign nation's powers and people's civil rights.

People need to stop blaming and pointing fingers at each other and realize that the World Banking institutions/War Profiteers and other scum sucking bastards are the reason for the instability in the world.

Sick of it.

aleks zen · Post by **aleks zen** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:22 pm

CursedC wrote:Again people are being put against eachother for the gobal elite to swoop in and declare peace....and take away sovereign nation's powers and people's civil rights.

People need to stop blaming and pointing fingers at each other and realize that the World Banking institutions/War Profiteers and other scum sucking bastards are the reason for the instability in the world.

Sick of it.

thats very on point cursed c, nice one. the credit crunch (at least i think thats wot its called) thats happened in the uk is a blessing in disguise to say the least though

edit: itd be good to see alot of these people at the top put on trial and possibly (i dont even want to say it )

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:13 pm

CursedC wrote: People need to stop blaming and pointing fingers at each other and realize that the World Banking institutions/War Profiteers and other scum sucking bastards are the reason for the instability in the world.

good point, i'd only add that if you had to go further you could trace all these issues back to the 30-50's, the palestine-israeli crisis, aramco, the saudi royal family-us alliances, the cia, the fall of iran..etc etc. i look at the middle east now as a pot on a stovetop, that's been slowly cooking and cooking for decades, only now it's about to burn down the whole house.

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:27 pm

seckle wrote:good point, i'd only add that if you had to go further you could trace all these issues back to the 30-50's, the palestine-israeli crisis, aramco, the saudi royal family-us alliances, the cia, the fall of iran..etc etc. i look at the middle east now as a pot on a stovetop, that's been slowly cooking and cooking for decades, only now it's about to burn down the whole house.

full on agreed.

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