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Dubstep Waltzes!

Post by 3dm » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:01 pm

Hi everyone,
It's my first time here, so be gentle with me!
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Just thought you might like to know about this twist on the Dubstep theme I've dreamed up - The Dubstep Waltz!

Check 'em out here:
http://www.myspace.com/threedm

Basically it's my own interpretation of it inna different time signature.

Now I ain't saying I'm quite there yet with all the ingredients, as I've only been experimenting with this style for a few months, but I have been doing electronic music of one form or other for longer than I care to remember, so hopefully it won't sound too dodgy!

I reckon this could be a big one, as it's got lots of potential for experimenting.

Let me know what y'all think.

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My four penneth as a producer in the loudness debate - I compress my trax, but not to the point where you lose dynamic range, as I want my music to be listenable in many different contexts, rather than just something that thunders out of a big rig (although that's cool too, given the oppo), but then sounds crap on a domestic Hifi or in a car, or a pod on headphones.

You see, I believe in ffrr - Full Frequency Range Recordings!

After all, when you listen to Dub Reggae (the original bottom end productions) from back in the day, they may be phat in the bass dept, but they also have other things going on in the higher end too.

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Post by threnody » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:17 pm

Was sceptical....but the beats and structures work. I'm not into all the sounds you are using but that is a matter of taste...2 mins into dubstep waltz 2 is sickness tho....really really into that. Not liking the vocal on 3 tho..."dubstep waltz, dubstep waltz"...sounds like a boosh jokey song imo.....

1 is probably the most developed all round tune. The style really works in that one...it can sound quite comical at times which is cool...would love to see how a dancefloor reacts....listening back to no.1 it sounds more 6/8 than 3/4...just in the way the accents are placed on the beats...

Very good stuff overall. Really does sound quite different....obviously mixing it could be a problem, what are your thoughts? Maybe just raise up a waltz army and take over!!!!
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Post by deapoh » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:20 pm

Ramadanman made a Dubstep Waltz beat a while back... 6/8 time.
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Post by grimez » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:23 pm

Not bad.

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Post by moldy » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:30 pm

Check out Numbers Dub in my mini mix.

http://selectormoldy.com/?p=111

4/4 intro, 7/8 body, 4/4 outro.

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Post by ramadanman » Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:48 pm

Deapoh wrote:Ramadanman made a Dubstep Waltz beat a while back... 6/8 time.
haha nice one for remembering!

i'll post it up sometime :D

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Post by 3dm » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:35 pm

Sup peeps!

Thanx for your replies on this, and yeah some of it IS more 6/8 than 3/4, but it's just easier to call them 'waltzes', as not everyone understands what you're talking about when you drop time signature science on their heads!
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I'm still learning and feeling my way with this style, so I'm sure it'll get better over the next few months as I go back to it and figure it out some more.

As for the sounds I was using, well, I was trying to ease in some Techno style sounds in to see if they worked ot not - I'll leave it for y'all to judge if they do.

The Lyrics and delivery are by me, although I never ever claim to be an MC - just someone who likes to drop words over beats now and again...usually if I've got something to get off my chest!
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The reason why I'm coming to this thing now, is because as Loefah sez on his myspace vid, this is the place to come if you want to try out new things in dance music outside of the usual formulas - like in this case 6/8 and 3/4 beatz!!

I'm still dropping tunes in other styles as well, so keep visiting my page now and then to check them too, as every track is an experiment, and every time I learn something new from doing them, which is why I'm diverse in my output.

I'm also aware of the mixing issues for the DJs (what bpm are most Dubstep tunes do you reckon? It's tricky to judge sometimes, because of the half/double time structures), but at the same time, this shouldn't limit your freedom to try out new things.

There will be more of this time sig science coming your way (I've got some ideas to try but I'm keeping 'em dark for now), so keep listening.

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Post by threnody » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:31 pm

Nice1 mate. I wasn't hating on those techno sounds (or vocals) just stylistical not the sounds/lyrics that catch my attention. They sound tight tho...

I was thinking about the mixing issue and presumably if you had one tune at 6/8 and one at 4/4

1 2 3 4 5 6 ! 1 2 3 4 5 6 (6/8 )
1........2.........3.......4...... (4/4)

So the 4/4 tune would be like half time with the 6/8 being like a triplet beat underneath.....the bpms would have to be different massively for it to work like that....as you say tho why let that get in the way of experimentation!!!

Looking forward to other sounds/time sigs!

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Post by braiden » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:58 pm

threnody wrote: I was thinking about the mixing issue and presumably if you had one tune at 6/8 and one at 4/4

1 2 3 4 5 6 ! 1 2 3 4 5 6 (6/8 )
1........2.........3.......4...... (4/4)

So the 4/4 tune would be like half time with the 6/8 being like a triplet beat underneath.....the bpms would have to be different massively for it to work like that....as you say tho why let that get in the way of experimentation!!!

Looking forward to other sounds/time sigs!
Well you could beat match them, causing a polyrhythm that would line up every 3 bars of 4/4 (4 bars of 3/4). How this would actually sound in practice depends on the tunes though of course.

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Post by threnody » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:05 am

Quiter simply i want these on wax to try it out!
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Post by 3dm » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:34 am

Man, I'd love to oblige on the wax thing, but the reality is I'm a skint student right now, with no means of support except for the Stupid Loan (as I call it), so spending readies on cutting dubplates ain't gonna happen I'm afraid!
:?

CDRs, however, are always do-able.
But then, who can't do them?

H'mmm...see the other thread - the pros and cons of dubplates.

Love the concept of the polyrhymic mixing though - I've never heard of ANY DJs/producers talking like that before!

You'd definitely have to be able to count up to more than four to do that (this is not one for the "Dave's Travelling Disco" outfits, if you know what I mean)!
:D

But, it's something I've always known was possible - it just takes that big leap of faith to try it out.

If anyone does have a go at this, tell us all about it...especially if it's with an audience!

L8tr.

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Post by 3dm » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:49 am

I should point out something here...confession time!

I'm also a live Samba percussionist (as you'll gather from reading the Myspace profile), which is another reason why I like to mess with different time sigs, as it's a fun and challenging thing to do.

And yes, you're absolutely right, in that if you can carefully beatmatch a 4/4 and 6/8 track, they will definitely 'line up' every few beats.

Us Sambistas (as we like to be known) also have little polyrhythmic clapping exercises for newbies to try out, where two peeps stand opposite each other, one claps the four beats, the other claps the triplet beats, then, they have to clap palms at the end of their cycles, which (hopefully, if they get it right) demonstrates how the time sigs can lock together.

If you fancy a laugh sometime (or just a neat party trick), come up with your own patterns and try it out yourself with another mate!

Trust me, it's not as easy as you might think to keep it going, which is why I'd be WELL impressed with any DJ who could pull off the whole polyrythmic mixing thing.
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Anyways, enough of me.

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Post by 3dm » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:34 am

That's a wicked track!

Love the major key piano in it, and Shakespeare quotes!
Is that Laurence Olivier?

Bard Beatz in effect!
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Post by ramadanman » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:36 am

yep olivier version of hamlet - found all the soliloquies on vinyl

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Post by threnody » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:04 pm

3DM wrote:
CDRs, however, are always do-able.
But then, who can't do them?

L8tr.
Sorry this is what i meant. I'll get them cut...thinking mainly 1 +2 if that's cool....

I'll PM you when i get home.

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