Tribe Sounds

xthewiddler · Post by **xthewiddler** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:04 am

anyways the tune is done and up on the player as The Ruins

thanks for helpin out guys

www.myspace.com/widdlemethis

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:56 am

miss_molinari wrote:if they dont take part in our 'western legal system' then we have stolen nothing from them! its only dumbass intellectual property rights that make you think u owe them something....you dont. maybe if you went to their island and took the guy who sung the chant but the tribes dont 'own' the mp3.

you should take a leaf out of the book you are supposed to be studying and forget intellectual property rights. if the guy chants and you record it, thhat is your chant. you didnt make it up but that recording is yours and no part his.

piracy is not a crime (why do you think that they spent the 90's telling us it was)

anyway, each to their own..

If you don't know the differance between unethical and illegal you need to pick up a dictionary. I am not talking about intellectual property or mechanical copyright. I am NOT talking about breaking copyright laws, you brought that to the table, I pointed out the *ahem* issues you seem to have in relating your experiance as (I assume) an educated westerner to the rest of the world. You implied that people outside of a legal system weren't protected by it and therefore fair game.

Don't chat to me about things you don't understand, and don't think you know where I'm coming from, odds are you (all) have a better school education than me. I'm not talking about 'dumbass intellectual property rights' (or puesdo-intellectual ego anarchism) I'm talking about RESPECT.

xTheWiddler; You are obv. quite young. I gave you good advice, get off the internet go dig for some records, learn.

it sounds like you have cultural issues not me

if you mean I aknowledge the past and try not to continue making the same mistakes over n over, then yeah. It sounds like you think if you ignore things they go away... they don't. It sounds like you think if you pretend everything is cool it is..... it isn't.

By not showing others, and other cultures the same basic respect you expect, you've shown you have no self-respect and are beneth contempt.

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Psyolopher; Phuture & Marshell Jefferson were making tunes with the 303, Ron Hardy was playin em at the Music Box where the ravers reffered to them as 'Ron Hardys Acid Tracks' because the drawn out, repeative riffs sounded like Acid Rock translated into House. The fact that a rumour was goin round Chicago at the time that there was LSD in the water at the Music Box more than likely fed into this. Marshell Jefferson went on record as saying that Phuture was the first to tweak the filter during the track rather than setting it up before - and he liked it better than his version.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:01 am

Big Up masstronaut, you know the coup.

For the record I sample anything and everything, I will quite happily chop a whole tune into something else, this issue is not about what is legal or not, or what should be legal.

If you can't grasp that sampling is an inherantally political act then STOP!

psyolopher · Post by **psyolopher** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:24 am

doomstep wrote:
Psyolopher; Phuture & Marshell Jefferson were making tunes with the 303, Ron Hardy was playin em at the Music Box where the ravers reffered to them as 'Ron Hardys Acid Tracks' because the drawn out, repeative riffs sounded like Acid Rock translated into House. The fact that a rumour was goin round Chicago at the time that there was LSD in the water at the Music Box more than likely fed into this. Marshell Jefferson went on record as saying that Phuture was the first to tweak the filter during the track rather than setting it up before - and he liked it better than his version.

Yeah man, i've heard a few stories of this!
Dont take notice of what i wrote lol, i cant describe how smashed i was!

btw got any more info of this?

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:47 am

Battle Gong wrote:doomstep, yes: debated this at length elsewhere on here. a thread about "arabic dubstep"

miss molinari, no: yr arrogance is frequently irritating, in this case its downright offensive

carry on...

carry on? lol.

doomstep wrote: If you can't grasp that sampling is an inherantally political act then STOP!

i dont believe in politics

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:25 am

well they believe in you, even with your head buried deep in the sand!

politics is allot more than just question time in parliment, or the Borisian Circus, you are engaged in politics when you walk down the street, when you go to a club. Politics is a natural product of all human interaction - if you'd like to disengage with politics? I hear the Gobi desert is nice this time of year!

wooda916 · Post by **wooda916** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:58 am

xTheWiddler wrote:anyways the tune is done and up on the player as The Ruins

thanks for helpin out guys

www.myspace.com/widdlemethis

The tune is badass man! nice one...

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:23 pm

setspeed wrote:seems rather cold!

so if you were to sing a song, and someone was recording it, then by this logic you would have no problem if they put it on a record, made a profit from it, and claimed that it was their song, and 'in no part yours'?

if he makes a profit from selling it then i own none of the proceeds yes (cold would be not bothering to sell a product in demand and then saying somehow you own some of the profits of the guy who had the effort and foresight to provide that service)

if he says he made the original then im not ok with that, s/he would be a liar which is not cool

doomstep wrote:

well they believe in you, even with your head buried deep in the sand!

politics is allot more than just question time in parliment, or the Borisian Circus, you are engaged in politics when you walk down the street, when you go to a club. Politics is a natural product of all human interaction - if you'd like to disengage with politics? I hear the Gobi desert is nice this time of year!

lol, i see what you're saying (no malice or sarcasm!) but in my head politics is a certain type of interaction, not all interaction. like when we talk to each other over dinner we arent necessarily doing 'politics' in my view but this is just differences in our use of language.

at the end of the day there is in my mind a high chance you are a 'good' 'nice' guy (even if i i dont agree with 'all' your views), and i think i am the same (well nearly!) but neither of us is gunna be able to show it now this has kicked off how it has...my suggestion is we just forget it and just not talk politics with each other...seem like a plan?

either that or we can both get stressed at how ignorant, stupid and thick headed (not a none-too-subtle dig) the other is being (seen as though its difficult to properly explain ourselves here).

anyway, peace.

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