New York - Dub War @ Camp Bisco Festival July 19th

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:26 pm

Just pics for the moment, because nobody has had any sleep in the last 48hours on the road, straight from New York City to Albany and then back.
The Dub War tent was rammo! Completely new crowd of people as well. The pics are hazy because they had some serious stage fog machines.

Wait till you see the video......

out to the hotel bar crew, you know who you is...haha!
out to the boston family inside!
out to the Camp Bisco Management and Staff. Everyone from the parking lot guards to the Hospitality and Security at the gates, were so friendly and willing to help in any way.

soon....

dirt_mcgirk · Post by **dirt_mcgirk** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:33 pm

dopeness!

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:27 am

i don't know what to say.

That -- was on point. I'll have more later. Just got home from a long (real long) train ride.

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:38 am

And -- there's already a thread about is on the Disco Biscuits Messageboard.

Check it HERE.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:27 pm

fam you're killin' it!!!!! massive.

brockolio · Post by **brockolio** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:12 pm

set was HUGE!

out to joe, dave, and juakali for making it up to camp, easily the set of the weekend.

headstrung at a jamband festival =

nice pics Seckle.

thanks for making this happen guys.

dubwar making moves!

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:42 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZJyYlzQISc

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:47 pm

Good job guys! I've been waiting for the crossover, and there it is!

brockolio · Post by **brockolio** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:02 pm

the energy in that tent was absolutely out of control!

chamclowder · Post by **chamclowder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:08 pm

"i wasn't feeling the stops they kept doing after the drops--it ruined a lot of the flow."

I agree. Rewinds when appropriately placed and used sparingly (same for MCs) are okay, but there were way to many at the dubwar set. I've always had this complaint, I know it's part of the culture, but that doesn't mean it should be overused.

Other than that, dubwar was def. my highlight of the weekend.

and

I agree with supaspoida. I feel its a cop out. The Skream NYC Dubwar set would have been exponentially better if it was mixed properly. Smooth mix segues aren't always necessary, sometimes the crash into the next song work too.

Track selection is less than half of the battle IMHO.

I missed out on this one, but it looked huge. I would however like to echo the sentiments of the "uninitiated" listeners on that forum. Take special note of how distracting and ridiculous rewinds can seem... but not just to the guy who hadn't ever heard of dubstep before--because someone below that was talking about it at the Skream show@ Love...

Wish I could have made this. Those pics look like the crowd was massive.

brockolio · Post by **brockolio** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:17 pm

turnout was hyoooooge.

it was really amazing to see that many people getting down to dubstep at a summer festival in the US, especially those that had never heard beats like that before. think this is only the beginning and it was really awesome to be a part of it.

a lot of people walked away from that set really impressed.

next year though, here's to a 2 hour set on the mainstage with the low end turned UP!

as for the rewind...

that debate will exist as long as the music itself does. however, it is always interesting to hear the differing opinions on the matter, especially from a different audience.

bless!

chamclowder · Post by **chamclowder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:36 pm

I agree, it's pretty telling when you get the outside audiences and their opinions match about 50% of our own scene here.

So we have to ask ourselves, if half of the people who currently listen and 90% of those who would listen if exposed to a proper set both agree that they are pretty distracting and/or a waste of time--doesn't this mean that we may potentially expand the listener-base by making our sets more accessible to those who like music?

I'm just wondering, because it looks a lot like masturbation to those of us who don't personally mix records. Do you sit with your winamp player on repeat, because most normal people may play a tune a couple of times at home... but ask yourself

if you're seeing headliner X play for an hour, and 15 minutes of that hour are silence and CDJ stop effects, and another 30 of those minutes is 2-3 or maybe 4-5 tunes, with 15 minutes of actual mixing--does Headliner X deserve to get paid anything?

I believe it may have been you on that site, who said that you just learn to live with it, basically. Hold on a moment... learn to live with it? Do you just live with it when the weedman sells you a short sack, or beat the shit out of mans and let them know that you are tired of their bullshit?

Not saying to beat the headliner, but if you don't like the rewinds, you can always tell them to their face, call them out online, or do what I always do... just leave the dance floor. Nothing says "he douche why not try mixing a tune, that's what the mixer is for" like playing to an empty dancefloor at a peak hour.

brockolio · Post by **brockolio** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:12 pm

i wasn't really saying 'learn to live with it' so much as after a while I just stopped noticing/caring about it, seeing as it seems embedded into the music. I remember listening to dubstep mixes for the first time and finding them awkward at first, but after a while maybe I just became numb to it, and just started enjoying it for what it was.

I think it also has to do with your musical background maybe even moreso than whether or not you actually spin records. the average person that is more into tech/house is going to feel differently about the flow of a mix than your average person coming from dub/reggae background, etc.

personally, i just like hearing as many big tunes as possible, especially when it comes to plates that i'll likely never hear again unless they get released, moreso than I need them to all segue in and out of eachother or all come together as a solid continuous mix sometimes.

it also depends on the crowd you are playing to obviously. it's different when you are playing at a jamband-electronic music hybrid festival than it is when you are playing to a crowd at Love and maybe the approach should probably change as well.

regardless, the DubWar crew threw down a really solid set of music for the timeslot they were given, and I don't think anyone walked away disappointed, I just think this was the one thing people were confused about/didn't enjoy from the entire set and vocalized it, rightfuly so.

on that forum, their set has still gotten the most response from any other performance that weekend and I think that is an awesome thing.

almost every response to their performance has been really positive and I do agree with you Chowder that any feedback [albeit postive or negative] is important and warranted from any audience.

overcast radio · Post by **overcast radio** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:37 pm

Rewind abuse is more the enemy. Sort of a black hole for me, like digital vs. analog. Reload when it's apt, don't when it's not. Be sensitive enough to know the difference. Reloading every tune loses its drama, like saying "fuck" in every other sentence.

dq · Post by dq » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:34 pm

Overcast Radio wrote:Rewind abuse is more the enemy. Sort of a black hole for me, like digital vs. analog. Reload when it's apt, don't when it's not. Be sensitive enough to know the difference. Reloading every tune loses its drama, like saying "fuck" in every other sentence.

What he said.

perkalerk215 · Post by **perkalerk215** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:31 pm

knew this was gonna go off. these kids ate it up....and about time. its so fun to watch dubstep spread to kids who love diff genres. its beautiful to be honest....that energy....ugh.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:21 pm

perkalerk215 wrote:knew this was gonna go off. these kids ate it up....and about time. its so fun to watch dubstep spread to kids who love diff genres. its beautiful to be honest....that energy....ugh.

It was amazing to watch people go from a slow headnod to a skank then soon after full on bassface after about 5 tunes in....

What you're talking about is exactly the reason why I went up there to check this sound on a totally new crowd made up of mostly phish and deadies. It was totally worth it.

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:41 pm

Overcast Radio wrote:like saying "fuck" in every other sentence.

fuck me what the fuck have you got against fuckin Canadians, eh? fuuuck

kuma · Post by **kuma** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:46 pm

ozeb wrote:
Overcast Radio wrote:like saying "fuck" in every other sentence.
fuck me what the fuck have you got against fuckin Canadians, eh? fuuuck

And lo, the Maritimer in him comes out.

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:08 pm

Kuma wrote:
ozeb wrote:
Overcast Radio wrote:like saying "fuck" in every other sentence.
fuck me what the fuck have you got against fuckin Canadians, eh? fuuuck

And lo, the Maritimer in him comes out.

oh you had to go and make it regional didn't you...

*dukes up*

New York - Dub War @ Camp Bisco Festival July 19th

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