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ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:03 pm

Bedward wrote:precisely.

and was he trying to approximate the sound of a didgeridu with that piano/cello drone on sun arise,
or was he more influenced by the sufi musicians he fell in with during his tour of rajasthan?
or was it that lamonte young gig in melbourne that tipped him off?

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:04 pm

he also invented the wobble bass

149 · Post by **149** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:09 pm

I think what the original point comes down to is less about direct influence but that king tubby and lee perry were originators of the drum and bass style. the production technique. A lot of the music we listen to would not excist without reggae.

The whole DJ style came from Ja, The Toasting, MC's...etc in Hip Hop.

Its not a requirement to know your 'history' Its a matter of respect and the expectations people have of 'producers' as knowing music. you could come from a completely alien environment and still make good music without indepth knowlege. I guess the 'suprise' some people may experience with this is due to the thought that people who are pationate about music will eventually trace things back, not only to originators but people who experiment with sound. and pay respect to that. with the assummption your music becomes more informed.

Complete ignorance usually produces somthing that is not recognised within the circles of its design. Any newbie that comes on the scene and basically goes head first into thier interpretation of the sound (although this sentiment applies to various 'artforms) usually comes up short.

Although people take inflence from all kinds of music (or life experience, outsound...thier are unlimeted resourses of inspiration for creative minds), what really comes through is if you 'get' the feeling.

there are those with great record collections who make shit musuic and vice versa.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:53 pm

I think as long as people have an understanding of what dubstep is (broadly) 'about' then they can and should bring whatever influences they want to it. Although of course Scratch and Tubby were icons of pushing boundaries and experimentation themselves, it would be a shame if dubstep producers felt obliged to follow only a particular producer's lead. The sheer variety within dubstep is one of the most attractive things about it for me- so long as some sort of core ideal or feel is retained.

I'd recommend anybody check out tubby and scratch's music though of course, I've only just started doing that myself. Was reading about both of them today in a book called ''bass culture'' about the history of jamaican popular music since the mid 20th century.

monkeychops · Post by **monkeychops** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:58 am

the first time i came across the term dubstep was in an article in XLR8R magazine - around 2002? it seemed to be used in order to distinguish the sound at the time from 2-step garage...

granted, early dubstep had obvious dub influences - heavy bass, drums & minimal vocals - but i doubt many of those producing at the time were chinstroking about king tubby and the like. since the rise of the half-step rhythm, the current slew of reggae re-issues and the increased popularity of DMZ those dub elements have become more obvious.

the best tunes for me though are the ones that aren't stuck in any dub "formula" and contain the elements of rave, 2-step, techno, d'n'b, world music, electro, film scores that make dubstep what it is.

imagine · Post by **imagine** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:15 pm

unlikely wrote:he also invented the wobble bass

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:43 pm

monkeychops wrote:the first time i came across the term dubstep was in an article in XLR8R magazine - around 2002?

I think thats cause that was when it was first used. An article about Horsepower I believe.

numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:40 pm

I'd recommend anybody check out tubby and scratch's music though of course, I've only just started doing that myself. Was reading about both of them today in a book called ''bass culture'' about the history of jamaican popular music since the mid 20th century.[/quote]

Heavy book - good read. Know your history - if you dont know el -b go and join a techno geek forum ...

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:53 pm

numaestro wrote:Heavy book - good read. Know your history - if you dont know el -b go and join a techno geek forum ...

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:58 pm

Joseph-J wrote:
monkeychops wrote:the first time i came across the term dubstep was in an article in XLR8R magazine - around 2002?
I think thats cause that was when it was first used. An article about Horsepower I believe.

Actually first used in a Tempa press release i do believe.

delsa · Post by **delsa** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:12 pm

boomnoise wrote:
Joseph-J wrote:
monkeychops wrote:the first time i came across the term dubstep was in an article in XLR8R magazine - around 2002?
I think thats cause that was when it was first used. An article about Horsepower I believe.
Actually first used in a Tempa press release i do believe.

Blue Peter badges all round

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:16 pm

Just realised how bloody nerdish that must have read. I'm off to burn my anorak and delete my excel spreadsheet of dubstep catalogue numbers.

danolboy · Post by **danolboy** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:35 pm

hahaha!

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:43 pm

boomnoise wrote:Just realised how bloody nerdish that must have read. I'm off to burn my anorak and delete my excel spreadsheet of dubstep catalogue numbers.

Don't try and out-geek me boy. You can't win.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:03 pm

Corpsey wrote:Was reading about both of them today in a book called ''bass culture'' about the history of jamaican popular music since the mid 20th century.

thx - will look that up!

data · Post by **data** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:34 pm

If you can tell me who teh artist I sampled in Heaven's Descent is you get a cookie :]

www.myspace.com/data1010

- Data.

rekall · Post by **rekall** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:48 am

delete all your presets, twist knobs, press buttons, make much noise, enjoy the nourishing fruit of accidental genius, and forge the most raw expression of self the world around you has ever witnessed.

talk is cheap.

digital · Post by **digital** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:19 pm

How about new dubstep producers who are unfimiliar with the music of early dubstep pioneers el-b etc.. Do you think it is necissary for them to be aquainted with the early dubstep sound to produce it now?

Music is such an individual experience in any genre that I dont think it matters if you know where the genre and influences have come from or not. I would agree in that it would probably help you in the sense of given you a direction in your production in terms of sounds and all that, but all it comes down to for me is having a connection or enjoyment for dubstep that it makes me want to make my own beats and create mucky mixes.

I don't really know that much about the roots of dubstep itself and how it came about, let alone the history of dub and reggae......but does that make me any less of a dj or producer? However, my growing up has had greater influences of house, dance, garage, drum and bass, jungle and grime. I bet some of the guys that are into dubstep through reggae and dub wouldn't know much about the background of these genres (nor do i really!), so does that make them any less of a producer or dj within the dubstep scene? No.

Dubstep seems to be reaching out to more and more people with musical influences from any and every genre which I think is a good thing for the productions as surely they will become more and more diverse.

Sure, it would benefit you to know a bit about dubstep's influences and roots, but its all about the music here and now and its constant progression.

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