Another Awful Sun Article - The Second This Week!!!!

oddfellow · Post by **oddfellow** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:25 pm

I understand peoples anger at this but it really has never been any different with the sun. You can pick it up on any given day and it will make you chew your own face off in anger.

The real problem with articles like this is that they will be believed by those who read them. I know a few peeps from my work place who read the sun and take the opinions as gospel.

http://www.kirkbytimes.co.uk/news_items ... story.html

dubstee · Post by **dubstee** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:33 pm

Tomity wrote:I understand peoples anger at this but it really has never been any different with the sun. You can pick it up on any given day and it will make you chew your own face off in anger.

The real problem with articles like this is that they will be believed by those who read them. I know a few peeps from my work place who read the sun and take the opinions as gospel.

http://www.kirkbytimes.co.uk/news_items ... story.html

The Kirby Times eh...? Fair enough the Sun printed some bullshit about the Hillsborough disaster... don't hear much about Heysel on Merseyside though do you?

Anyway, the guy who wrote the article isn't a Sun journo, he's a 5 Live presenter. And in any case, if you think violent lyrics and images in films and on tv don't influence some people you are very naive indeed.

oddfellow · Post by **oddfellow** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:45 pm

dubstee wrote: Anyway, the guy who wrote the article isn't a Sun journo, he's a 5 Live presenter. And in any case, if you think violent lyrics and images in films and on tv don't influence some people you are very naive indeed.

They influence people who are violent. But people who are like that could get worked up about anything, doesn't make the media they watch responsible for their actions.

linear · Post by **linear** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:45 pm

fucking lmao at the whole article, especially this bit...

"After listening to this hybrid of hip-hop and garage music, I wanted to kill someone.

I wouldn’t, of course, because I don’t have a violent nature.

But if I was an aggressive man the first person to step on my foot would probably have got shanked"

so angry aggressive people stab people and those with a violent nature dont?! cheers mate thanks for pointing that one out.

LOL at his lineage of rap music as well, so dizzee's tune comes from sugarhill gang...but fails to mention any of his more aggressive music...

anyway pointless picking this apart, its too easy.
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plastician · Post by **plastician** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:50 pm

I replied:

Having read the entire article I can collect my thoughts and make the following presumptions.

a) The person writing this article is not in his 40's but closer to his mid 50's.

b) He didn't sit listening to grime music for 12 hours, but more like 10 minutes.

c) Mr Adebayo would rather our youth followed the example of rock stars - afterall, excessive public use of class a drugs is not a major problem for the government.. is it?

This article, and others like it is the exact reason that the UK's youth write songs with such anger and bad energy. As it is people with the mentality of the article's author that are in charge of the biggest record labels in the country.

Our airwaves for the last decade have been overrun with manufactured dribble and reality television show rejects, but when something original comes out of the UK for the first time in ages people are quick to judge it based on their own personal musical tastes.

Grime is the sound of a new generation of youngsters who have perhaps not been given a chance in schools or at home. They can't afford piano lessons, drum kits or guitars. Instead they get hold of cracked copies of computer music software and go about making music in their own bedrooms.

Surely by turning their attention to such an activity would keep them off streets for a few hours? Allow them to socialise and meet other youngsters who share the same interests as them, and share production tips and lyrics? Surely if they're doing all of the above then they wouldn't have time to be out "shanking" people as Dotun Adebayo so cleverly coined it (fantastic bit of research).

If these youngsters had anything positive to talk about in their lyrics they would. And artists like Dizzee Rascal, Kano and Mike Skinner have all released tracks with lyrics along the lines of "Dry your eyes mate" and more recently "Dance With Me". Probably down to their recent success after they were given the chance to shine from the belief of A&R scouts at respected independent record labels. It is labels like these who have a belief in pushing boundaries musically that keep the industry from becoming overrun by Pussycat Doll wannabes and Brylcreem wielding boy bands making a living out of covering 80's RnB classics.

Instead, grime continues to evolve and blend itself in and around all kinds of musical boundaries. Wiley, one of the genre's most celebrated artists recently had a number 2 in the charts with his electro-grime smash "Wearing My Rolex" - a tune which will hardly leave you wanting to hang your dad's innards out on the washing line. As well as the success of Wiley, another grime star Skepta is gearing up for a chart hit with his Rolex Sweep track - a tune written about a macarena like dance move invented by the man himself. I can't personally remember the last time anyone attempted to hit me with a right hook whilst doing the Macarena, but then again I do not know what kind of clubs Mr Adebayo attends on his weekend off.

Rolex Sweep: Not a shank in sight

Its a shame that today's average music buyer thinks as narrow mindedly as Dotun Adebayo does. Clearly influenced by the music they have been spoon-fed by mainstream media all of their lives, they are the sort of people who feel liberated after purchasing an Arctic Monkeys album because they heard that Zane Lowe thought they were cool. And it is articles like this which spur on such negativity from young artists trying to channel their energy into something more positive.

OK, so grime music has highly aggressive lyrical content at it's rawest form, but maybe you should take time to listen to JME's latest album "Famous?". JME is a self made grime superstar. If you haven't heard of his music you've probably seen his "Boy Better Know" T Shirts worn by people of all ages from Cornwall to Dundee. JME's music is conscious and clever - I challenge Mr Adebayo to take a listen to Famous? and re-write his absolutely disgraceful article on such an interesting music genre. It is your narrow minded and un-justified opinions which add to the negative feelings of young grime kids all over the country, and the rest of the world.

If you wish to talk more with me on this subject I'm all ears, the people at The Sun newspaper have my contact details.

Yours Sincerely,

Chris Reed
P.K.A. Plastician

dushume · Post by **dushume** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:11 pm

A well rounded response ^ , it will be interesting to see what they come back with.

wooda916 · Post by **wooda916** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:19 pm

good man plastician, ive a good mind to write something in a similar vein myself.

The Sun is the most ridiculous paper in the UK, but being owned by Rupert Murdoch, who is surpirsed?! They're sensationalist, often racist, far right dribble is overwhelming, but what is more overwhelming is that it is one of, if not the best selling news paper in the UK and so many people eat up what they say without even questioning it!

This article is unfortunatly just one of a huge amount that the Sun churns out everyday.

It fucking winds me up no end!

Plastician, dont be surprised if an article apears quoting from you and completley churning up and twisting your words in the oh so sarcatic tone that the sun employs everytime it is challenged...

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:24 pm

Plastician wrote:The man who wrote this article actually presents a show on radio 5 live every night between 1am and 5am

yea its doyun adebayo or however you spell it. Untill Reading that I had a compeletly different opinion of him, I cant believe hed write something like this, he usually comes across as pretty clued up

I mean the weekly world football phone in is fucking class....

Plastic you should give him a ring on air and tell him where its at

ghost of a lion · Post by **ghost of a lion** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:24 pm

Good one Plastician, keep at em..

jonnyrebel · Post by **jonnyrebel** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:25 pm

just read your email

good stuff

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:30 pm

I gta say tho,
Grime is pretty much 70% non possitive lyrics.And it has been for ages.
I admit u get a few concious tunes but most of it is violent,aggresive.

I can see the guys being a bit of a prat the way hes written it but i cant see grime going any further.

ontherise · Post by **ontherise** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:34 pm

Well put plastician... but I would like to point out that there have been more than 2 awful sun articles so far this week!!! (just a guess)

This fella would hardly get an article published in a RACIST murdock rag if he was to research properly and tell the truth.

collaborating with racist propaganda is not a way to make the streets safer. smug middle class c

nt that he is.

FUCK the sun and all murdock shit.

Peace

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:48 pm

Its true that lyrics have a big affect on people.
If u go out and theres some geeza on the mic chattin guns etc its more likely someones gna kik off than if someones spreading possitive vibes.

pk · Post by pk » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:39 pm

you've got to admire the bloke for completely destroying his own argument mid-article

Teddy Boys rioted at cinemas in 1956 when they watched Rock Around The Clock. But the lyrics were like a nursery rhyme.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:47 pm

ffs

i cannot read the sun at all tbh as i end up throwing it..

they are whats wrong with this country...creating fear & pushing peoples buttons

they are a crucial weapon in the conditioning of those that choose not to think about things...

I saw smallz the other night at fwd and it was a proper good laugh....everyone having fun....i wish i could have shown this dinosaur that probably listens to scouting for girls what its really like...

the real problem is the demonizing of young people & a lack of love/discipline/father at home...that's what causes people to shank each other overall 90% more than whatever music they choose to listen to...

they do go on about emo n that as well though...it's just anything really...it;s anythings fault other than the parents/system

a horrible paper, is it worse than the mail though?

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:49 pm

boomnoise wrote:
EFA wrote:
boomnoise wrote:Sun writers aren't stupid. They're just writing for their demographic.
A demographic they are semi responsible for, see edited prev post...
well possibly true but you could present a very reasonable argument to say that demographics have to exist before you produce something for them that will be as successful as the sun has been.

but that's another arguement

this guy is obviously a bit of a loon which appealed to the moral panic inducing, sensationalism loving editors of the paper.

plus the daily mail isn't owned by news corp. it is independently evil of them.

lol we covered this before kinda didnt we?

the conditioning imo has been gradually happening for ages so people dont notice...through subliminal methods too...

their readership i think exists because they are the ones easiest controlled by the media...the sun exploits this

dubsteptim · Post by **dubsteptim** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:56 pm

sun wrote:things got harder when Grandmaster Flash’s album The Message came out in 1982.

wow, he didnt listen to that album or even know what Grandmaster Flash is about. Gangsta? HARDLY. white lines -- dont do em. and the whole lyrical content to The Message?!?! aint nothin violent about that

what a twat. good reply Plastician.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:59 pm

Piston wrote:
boomnoise wrote:
EFA wrote:
boomnoise wrote:Sun writers aren't stupid. They're just writing for their demographic.
A demographic they are semi responsible for, see edited prev post...
well possibly true but you could present a very reasonable argument to say that demographics have to exist before you produce something for them that will be as successful as the sun has been.

but that's another arguement

this guy is obviously a bit of a loon which appealed to the moral panic inducing, sensationalism loving editors of the paper.

plus the daily mail isn't owned by news corp. it is independently evil of them.
lol we covered this before kinda didnt we?

the conditioning imo has been gradually happening for ages so people dont notice...through subliminal methods too...

their readership i think exists because they are the ones easiest controlled by the media...the sun exploits this

ha i think we did. had a bit of deja vu like. but hey, at least it has nothing to do with burial or wobble.

whighzeguy · Post by **whighzeguy** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:29 pm

I can't speak for Grime because I don't listen to it but Mainstream Hip-Hop has gone to shit over here in the U.S. IMO. A good chunk of Hip-Hop that is selling over here & making people rich is just a bunch of simple BS rhymes about the same shit, guns, drugs, hos, money & murder. A lot of the Dirty South tunes are nothing but lame hooks with weak raps interjected.
I'm 31 and I'm done with it.
With that being said, I LOVE Hip-Hop, unfortunately these days I have to dig much harder than I'd like to find good Hip-Hop.....
I'm not defending this newspaper but it's not hard for me to see why an old fart may think this way.

squnt · Post by **squnt** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:36 pm

they had a discussion about this sun article on radio london this morning on vanessa fatty feltz show,loads of outraged people saying there kids had changed since listening to grime but plenty sticking up for it were ringing in aswell,the 2nd from last call was some bloke from south london who got on air and proceeded to do a funny rap in a scots accent and got cut off.good email to em.

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