"Bush Warfare" soundklash

[diablo]

Check this out.

http://www.liberationchabalala.net

I came across it while downloading a Bunzero mix.

It reminds me of Consolidated, if anyone was ever down with that?!

[shonky]

Hmmmnnn...do remember Consolidated, music often good, but I think the overworthy, self-righteousness did push me towards the feel-good nihilism of NWA at the time.

Not too sure quite how much of an impact they actually made though - white liberal guilt's rarely as engaging as the black rage of late 80's/early 90's Public Enemy (which they copped mercilessly).

I'm interested in music and politics, yet it seems very rare that the two actually coincide to work together. Still anything that aids the defeat of warmongering, right-wingers has to be a good thing

[metalboxproducts]

Hmmmnnn...do remember Consolidated, music often good, but I think the overworthy, self-righteousness did push me towards the feel-good nihilism of NWA at the time.

Not too sure quite how much of an impact they actually made though - white liberal guilt's rarely as engaging as the black rage of late 80's/early 90's Public Enemy (which they copped mercilessly).

I'm interested in music and politics, yet it seems very rare that the two actually coincide to work together. Still anything that aids the defeat of warmongering, right-wingers has to be a good thing

^^^


Who remembers Marxman?

[ifp]

I'm interested in music and politics, yet it seems very rare that the two actually coincide to work together.

bob dylan, bob marley, krs 1, miles davis, ratm, marvin gaye, gil scott-heron, sonic youth...

the list is endless

[metalboxproducts]

I'm interested in music and politics, yet it seems very rare that the two actually coincide to work together.

bob dylan, bob marley, krs 1, miles davis, ratm, marvin gaye, gil scott-heron, sonic youth...

the list is endless

Did you know Nile Rogers of the Famed disco group Chic was actualy one of the founding members of the New York wing of the Black Panther Party? He's said that he thought mentioning it in the context of being a musicion would trivalize what he did with the party.

[shonky]

I'm interested in music and politics, yet it seems very rare that the two actually coincide to work together.

bob dylan, bob marley, krs 1, miles davis, ratm, marvin gaye, gil scott-heron, sonic youth...

the list is endless

Ok, Bob Dylan yeah, Marvin Gaye yeah, Gil Scott Heron yeah. Bob Marley has done some amazing stuff, but then some of it seems to be in the "stoned philosoper" platitudes which annoys the shit out of me (probably due to having shared my space with so many of them over the years). KRS1 (apart from Sound of the Police) has generally tried too hard to fit his politics into his music and comes across sounding like a patronising, liberal uncle.

Sonic Youth I've never thought of as being political, the only directly political song of their's I can think of is "Youth against Fascism" which is pretty playground in its politics, but I haven't heard them in years so this may have changed. Did Miles Davis have some sort of anti-imperialist moment - I thought he just composed and played trumpet?

Dead Kennedys, Public Enemy and Woody Guthrie did far better. Not sure that musicians are generally the best people to ask about world events in most cases.

[metalboxproducts]

Gatta agree with you on the KRS1 point. He tended to be for to selfrightious and his points laboured kind of like a 16 year old showing ingdignation at the world. And lets face it his flow was never that good .

Miles Davis was only overtly political on maybe a couple of albums" A Tribute To Jack Joknson" and "On The Corner". As these albums don't have any lyrics as such, it's hard to discern from the music what his politics were. You would have to know Milses politics before hand to appriciate them. So I would say his music wasn't political, but he was. As a listener it's completly irrelavant.

ps Bob Marly=pot politics, 100%. Far more religion/spiritual then political.

[ifp]

buffalo soldier, i shot the sheriff, kaya, redemption song

and there's a general pro-black/anti-imperialist thread in a lot of his music. yes a lot of it is religious/smokin stuff, but a lot of its quite political too.

john coltrane and miles davis were part of creating a positive black identity and reasserting the black roots of jazz when at the time it was seen as a kind of white big band type of music.

and music doesnt have to be explicitly political in lyrical content etc for it to be political. in fact i think most people would say that music that is too politically obvious just seems naive and annoying, like politics with music tacked on, inteded more as propaganda than something to listen to.

and a lot of the time music represents a certain attitude or philosophy, so hip-hop used to be about giving a voice to people who are ignored by the mainstream media/politics, etc, dnb was a symbol of subculture, etc etc

[metalboxproducts]

john coltrane and miles davis were part of creating a positive black identity and reasserting the black roots of jazz when at the time it was seen as a kind of white big band type of music.

and music doesnt have to be explicitly political in lyrical content etc for it to be political. in fact i think most people would say that music that is too politically obvious just seems naive and annoying, like politics with music tacked on, inteded more as propaganda than something to listen to.

Yes, but it does then require a certain amount of knowledge about the back groud to then put it within a political context.

With regards to the John/Miles statement. That came a long time after jazz was, if ever, percieved as white big band muic. Your talking 15-20 years after the era of the bigband which effectivly ended in 1945. Big band jazz was then superseeded by the birth of modern jazz, what we call be-bop The biggest bigband was probably Duke Ellington's band or maybe Luis Armsrtong band. Yes there were white/jewish band leaders such as Benny Goodman but ut would be hard to argue that there was a huge domoinance of eather.

[Jubz]

KRS-1 is one of the most contradictory muh fuckas on the planet, needs to be
taken with a pinch of salt.