Pie & Mash Appreciation

[oddfellow]

I think the majority of people smoke it alongside tobacco as well. As this is unfiltered it means a lot more harm is caused.

Hardly anyone smokes it with tobacco in america. Its an english / euro thing.

Ah right. Excuse my ignorance. I really like mixing the two personally.

Does the mixing over in the UK stem from the fact that all we used to have was resin? Or is it just that its more expensive over here?

[pk-]

i'm trying to read the study itself, not a fucking news story on it

[christophera]

i'm trying to read the study itself, not a fucking news story on it

gwarn

[jazzamataz]

...is good, as with everything in life, in moderation.


when you're putting £10's into ONE spliff - you should really think about quitting...

[d-T-r]

Marijuana is far less addictive and damaging than alcohol yet still, it's considerd social and encouraged...

more people die /atract illnessess through excessive alcholism and more crimes/violence happen because of alcohol than weed..you cant deny this.

go out anywhere on a friday night and see it for yourself. do these people look like they're in control of their life when their dependancy lies on the 2 day period at the end of the working week just to get 'out of it'?



like all substances though, food,drink 'drugs' moderation and variation is key...plants and crops exist for a reason. animals(us) eat and consume these, smoking a substance is just another way of benefting from its advantages that can only be extracted through certain temperatures/conditions.

the downside shit the mainstream media likes to paint though isnt a direct result from the weed but the circumstances many smokers are in. if you have an unstable mental disposition then yeah weed might not be such a great idea. the weed dont make you crazy and/or lazy or any of that stuff unless those characteristics are ALREADY IN YOU. if your a lazy fucker who does nothing all day, thats not the weed, thats just you.

if anything, i see weed as a catylyst that comes through the pivot of the mental see-saw and tips you whatever way your already leaning. (negative/positive)

but as soon as you start feeling 'off balance' in life and in your mind and when you need to constantly move your pivot and up your dose just to withhold your center of gravity, aka your reality, you know your smoking too much of it.

too much of one thing, good for nothing. over indulgance is the mind's game.

be the master of your mind rather than be masterd by your mind.

once that attitudes adopted, no external substance is ever gonna do the things the media says they do.

reclaim your brain and do some research from some neutral sources who arent out there to capitliaze on the topics profits; both material and mental.

[elbe]

smoking produces Carbon Monoxide, which your blood will substitute for oxygen, Carbon Monoxide sticks to the blood, leaving less room for Oxygen, more you smoke the less Oxygen you get into your blood, less Oxygen in your blood less Oxygen to your brain and other organs, which is not a good thing

don't patronize me. you're combatting scientific studies with rudimentary understanding of physiology and ignoring all the facts presented.

do you ever catch yourself being really brainwashed or do you just go back to sleep when you get rattled

I don't get rattled, and it's hard to not to patronise someone who so readily discards the simple things and dosen't correctly read the facts that he is quoting.

if you going to talk like an idiot then I am going to talk to you like you're an idiot, after all I only have you words to go on.

[the wiggle baron]

Smoked weed for 3 years, quit 2 weeks ago and feel lot better/healthier, Only smoke cigs now

Find that hard to believe to be honest
Smoking regularly for probably 4-5 years. Alot more in the last 2/3. However, I stop smoking for the 2 months or so leading up to exams every time. Mainly because of not having the time to be honest. But yeah, I feel absoloutely no difference. Unless the difference is that I cut out smoking all together as someone who doesn't smoke tobacco by itself, but yeah...Doesn't do it for me!

[bellybelle]

Marijuana is far less addictive and damaging than alcohol yet still, it's considerd social and encouraged...

more people die /atract illnessess through excessive alcholism and more crimes/violence happen because of alcohol than weed..you cant deny this.

go out anywhere on a friday night and see it for yourself. do these people look like they're in control of their life when their dependancy lies on the 2 day period at the end of the working week just to get 'out of it'?



like all substances though, food,drink 'drugs' moderation and variation is key...plants and crops exist for a reason. animals(us) eat and consume these, smoking a substance is just another way of benefting from its advantages that can only be extracted through certain temperatures/conditions.

the downside shit the mainstream media likes to paint though isnt a direct result from the weed but the circumstances many smokers are in. if you have an unstable mental disposition then yeah weed might not be such a great idea. the weed dont make you crazy and/or lazy or any of that stuff unless those characteristics are ALREADY IN YOU. if your a lazy fucker who does nothing all day, thats not the weed, thats just you.

if anything, i see weed as a catylyst that comes through the pivot of the mental see-saw and tips you whatever way your already leaning. (negative/positive)

but as soon as you start feeling 'off balance' in life and in your mind and when you need to constantly move your pivot and up your dose just to withhold your center of gravity, aka your reality, you know your smoking too much of it.

too much of one thing, good for nothing. over indulgance is the mind's game.

be the master of your mind rather than be masterd by your mind.

once that attitudes adopted, no external substance is ever gonna do the things the media says they do.

reclaim your brain and do some research from some neutral sources who arent out there to capitliaze on the topics profits; both material and mental.

[skevin]

I like weed. Love it actually.

This year i've smoked very little just because of the amount of shit stuff around.
As much as I love my weed I really dont like buying it and getting crap stuff. I only buy it now if i KNOW its gonna be good and not contaminated with glass or vampires.

[silentk]

At the moment, i hate weed.
For the simple fact that a small group of my very close friends, who i used to blaze with, and who still smoke a lot of weed (i quit at new years), have really started to turn to more heavy drugs. Cocaine, MDMA, Pills, to name a few. any its starting to show. they have really started to distance themselves from everyone else, all they do is go to each others houses and get fucked. they have admitted to depression, paranoia, suicidal tendencies, physcotic episodes and the like. i have tried to speak to them but it does no good. they are really beginning to fuck themselves up, and it is because of weed. they were turned onto heavier drugs by the people they met through smoking and buying weed. i really don't think its gonna be long until they are giving fucking blow jobs for a toke on a crack pipe. it makes me sad to see them, and to think of how close friends we used to be, and what they have turned into, alienating themselves through drug use. i no longer wish to be associated with them, becuase i don't want to be a part of what they now consider "fun". there days and weeks are simply divided into where the next hit is coming from. this is not to mention that they have completley fucked up their education. i know they will not get anything like decent grades for their GCSE's, and i dread to think what there gonna do at A-level.
It has gone from "i only smoke weed, but would never try anything harder", to "lets take as much of ANYTHING as we can". and frankly it disgusts me.

when they invite me out, i say no, because i don't want to be pressured into doing what they are doing, i say no to these drugs because i have seen first hand what they do to people and it is horrible.

they talk about the comedowns with pride, "hey, after last weekend i spent like a week in bed throwing up, i felt like i was gonna die", yeh, thats not cool, and it certainly doesn't sound fun, but you can be sure it's gonna happen all over again, until something happens to make them stop, but i don't even want to think about what that might be.

[christophera]

the only reason pot could ever be mistaken as a "gateway drug" is because it gets lumped in with all these other things that are horrible

people think if they're lying about pot, maybe they're lying about harder drugs.

[psyolopher]

*sigh*
How many times are we going to have this discussion?

Some love it, some dont!
You dont have to convince eachother!

[christophera]

we should sort lies from truth however

[psyolopher]

we should sort lies from truth however

Well, if you really bother on this one!
Be my guest, i might bother later!
But im to lazy!


Im all for the truth!

[christophera]

i've been dousing this thread with truth for pages

[dj leeno]

I aint gonna lie, Im an addict.

If I aint had a zute buy evening I get snappy. I can't relax without one. (or is it the nicotine?)

I tried cutting out the baccy, smokin it pure but to be honest I didn't really enjoy it as much. Didn't burn well and made me cough and would of become alot more expensive putting 3 or 4 times as much in.
That lasted 4 days and I started putting baccy back in with it.

Got mates who only smoke it pure, there still as addicted as I am.

PS. Alot of the tv programs in this country wouldn't survive without weed. Gotta be stoned to watch the crap !

[bellybelle]

At the moment, i hate weed.
For the simple fact that a small group of my very close friends, who i used to blaze with, and who still smoke a lot of weed (i quit at new years), have really started to turn to more heavy drugs. Cocaine, MDMA, Pills, to name a few. any its starting to show. they have really started to distance themselves from everyone else, all they do is go to each others houses and get fucked. they have admitted to depression, paranoia, suicidal tendencies, physcotic episodes and the like. i have tried to speak to them but it does no good. they are really beginning to fuck themselves up, and it is because of weed. they were turned onto heavier drugs by the people they met through smoking and buying weed. i really don't think its gonna be long until they are giving fucking blow jobs for a toke on a crack pipe. it makes me sad to see them, and to think of how close friends we used to be, and what they have turned into, alienating themselves through drug use. i no longer wish to be associated with them, becuase i don't want to be a part of what they now consider "fun". there days and weeks are simply divided into where the next hit is coming from. this is not to mention that they have completley fucked up their education. i know they will not get anything like decent grades for their GCSE's, and i dread to think what there gonna do at A-level.
It has gone from "i only smoke weed, but would never try anything harder", to "lets take as much of ANYTHING as we can". and frankly it disgusts me.

to be fair, this is blaming a substance for flawed behavior. like when parents want to blame movies and video games for school shooting sprees. yes I understand the desensitization to violence, but not every kid picks up an AK47 and shoots up his own school.

besides, though its a common adage, there is actually no proof of marijuana being a "gateway drug". if you have an escapist mentality, you're going to want to escape. if you are predisposed to exhibiting psychosis, paranoia, et al., it will still be there after the herb. if anything the other substances your friends are choosing are more harmful than the plant.

Herb didn't make them branch out and its certainly not turning them into addicts. Their need to escape is.

[jackieboi]

i am and will admit i am, addicted to weed. I think its more a case of being bored constantly (living in a shitty little scottish seaside town doesnt help things). Having a bit of herb to lighten the mood certainly makes things a lot more bearable. I'm not saying at all that i smoke it to escape reality, more that i smoke it because things are just a little bit better when stoned.

Not too into the pure strong as fuck stuff that just turns you into a spastic as soon as u smoke it, like being able to puff a few casually and get a nice chong on the go.

Anyway must dash, gotta meet a man about an eighth

[fooishbar]

mind you he was a great musician

the thing about tashkin's study is it doesn't take enough factors into account. plenty of people who've led incredibly active lives and yet smoke cigaretes like chimneys - for instance, career soldiers - do not get lung cancer. other factors can limit or accentuate the negative effects of both tobacco and marijuana. to say one of them 'definitely causes cancer' or 'definitely doesnt' is ridiculous

says the guy who won't read the studies.

but it's science, which as we all know is a vast conspiracy, and anyone who trusts anything written by anyone who isn't on an internet forum is a brainwashed idiot.

THEY'RE TRASHING THE FLOW OF DATA, TRASHING, TRASHING

[silentk]

At the moment, i hate weed.
For the simple fact that a small group of my very close friends, who i used to blaze with, and who still smoke a lot of weed (i quit at new years), have really started to turn to more heavy drugs. Cocaine, MDMA, Pills, to name a few. any its starting to show. they have really started to distance themselves from everyone else, all they do is go to each others houses and get fucked. they have admitted to depression, paranoia, suicidal tendencies, physcotic episodes and the like. i have tried to speak to them but it does no good. they are really beginning to fuck themselves up, and it is because of weed. they were turned onto heavier drugs by the people they met through smoking and buying weed. i really don't think its gonna be long until they are giving fucking blow jobs for a toke on a crack pipe. it makes me sad to see them, and to think of how close friends we used to be, and what they have turned into, alienating themselves through drug use. i no longer wish to be associated with them, becuase i don't want to be a part of what they now consider "fun". there days and weeks are simply divided into where the next hit is coming from. this is not to mention that they have completley fucked up their education. i know they will not get anything like decent grades for their GCSE's, and i dread to think what there gonna do at A-level.
It has gone from "i only smoke weed, but would never try anything harder", to "lets take as much of ANYTHING as we can". and frankly it disgusts me.

to be fair, this is blaming a substance for flawed behavior. like when parents want to blame movies and video games for school shooting sprees. yes I understand the desensitization to violence, but not every kid picks up an AK47 and shoots up his own school.

besides, though its a common adage, there is actually no proof of marijuana being a "gateway drug". if you have an escapist mentality, you're going to want to escape. if you are predisposed to exhibiting psychosis, paranoia, et al., it will still be there after the herb. if anything the other substances your friends are choosing are more harmful than the plant.

Herb didn't make them branch out and its certainly not turning them into addicts. Their need to escape is.

its not the drug its self that is causing it, its the mentality it puts them in and the people they ascociate with through drug use

its like "hey smoking weed is so good, i think we should try other drugs"
and when your blazing with a coke head and they go "here u want a line?" and you think, hey hes a cool guy, he doesn't seem fucked up, i may aswell try it.

if i had a penny for the amount of times i have turned down weed/coke, i would be, okay not a millionaire, but i would be pretty well off.