ROLLCALL...producers/labels/releases

rjv · Post by **rjv** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:11 pm

It doesn't really help trying to start a serious conversation when you attack on the first one who doesn't agree with you.
So, it's also really hard to take you seriously.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:29 pm

random trio · Post by **random trio** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:50 pm

one of the main points of real dub step is good vibes ,nothing but.lets keep it that way.

one love . ( listening 2 marley

)

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:55 pm

dubmugga wrote: but dissing people with contrasting views makes for better entertainment..

not really, because right now you look like a 5 year old crying about a cookie jar.

dubmugga wrote:personalising opinions rather than just point/counterpoint supported by detached, reasoned argument.

YAWN.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:37 pm

what a load of shit excuse for not dealing with an issue...

...I didn't turn anything, just responded in kind. Trading insults is rather boring

you do know the process isn't irreversible but it seems people want to discuss my netiquette rathen than the thread topic...

...fucked if i know why, I'm not really that interesting but i think what i say is

and real dubstep isn't neccesarily about good vibes, some of it is just pure frustration and darkness manifesting itself as malevolent audio savagery...

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:57 am

what fucking issue suggested by the topic ?

it looks like ya cold canvassing for your Dole form wif " Rollcall ... "

what is your problem with dubplate culture bro ? the fact that you can't get any dubs cut ?

would reggae exist without dubs, would dub exist without dubs ? (sorry), would jungle exist without dubs ? even New Order would pop down the Tunnel (orwhatever) with a fresh 1/4inch tape to spin. Dubplate and soundsystem cultures have been the memetic catalyst for some of the more important sonic innovations of the last 50 years, where's the problem ?

If your not a DJ / don't buy vinyl thats what mixtapes are for.

if you want release after faceless, souless release check http://www.juno.co.uk/drum-n-bass/this-week/
way more than 6 a month, or whatever ....

Your mind is set so nothing I or anyone else will say is gonna change that, which makes your trying to start a conversation a bit pointless.

Your attitude alienates you bro. And no matter what you think, what you type, the way you type tells people ALOT about you. Your attitude towards online communications troubles me (in the least), the same basic codes of behaviour apply in the virtual domain, using the internet to be a cock isn't cool.

"this is Gorgeous signin' off ....."

and remember "Destroy All Hippies ......"

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:28 am

doomstep wrote:what fucking issue suggested by the topic ?

what is your problem with dubplate culture bro ? the fact that you can't get any dubs cut ?

Dubplate and soundsystem cultures have been the memetic catalyst for some of the more important sonic innovations of the last 50 years, where's the problem ?

Your mind is set so nothing I or anyone else will say is gonna change that, which makes your trying to start a conversation a bit pointless.

Your attitude alienates you bro. And no matter what you think, what you type, the way you type tells people ALOT about you. Your attitude towards online communications troubles me (in the least), the same basic codes of behaviour apply in the virtual domain, using the internet to be a cock isn't cool.

the problem which looks like it is getting sorted is to up the releases and bring forward release dates without relying on vinyl to do it...

...the problem with dubplate culture, i have already outlined, archaic, elitist and slow

it's not so much getting dubs cut but the exclusivity of holding on to trax for too long so that by the time they get a wide release they have been rinsed...

...yeah i realise it's importance in the last 50years but this is the digital age in the 21st century and nothing ever changes without a catalyst, I'm saying evolve or die

my mind is not set, it changes from day to day.It's funny but this is like having an argument with the missus over a period of time where out of the blue she will just continue on as if no time has passed...

...what i type tells people about my on line persona but really what do you know of me and what i do or how i interact with real people in real life ???

my attitude alienates some people for sure, would you rather i was some sycophantic eatarse ??? would that endear me to you ???

to others it makes little difference...

...and no the same basic codes of behaviour no more apply in the virtual domain than they do when playing violent, sexist videogames and are so radically different to real life where you have to look people in the eye and back up your bullshit

i'm not being a cock just expressing an opinion without fear of repercussion if it affects the way you hear our music then you're the one with the problem...

BTW did you get that CD yet ???

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:17 am

dubmugga wrote: but this is the digital age in the 21st century and nothing ever changes without a catalyst, I'm saying evolve or die

first off I don't buy this whole its the 21stC crap, there is only one reason for dubplates becoming obsolete and its got nowt to do with music.

judging by your "online personna" you must be very frustrated in your "real world" existance. I am truly concerned for your welfare, if this binariastion of your psyche continues you'll surly dissolve in a reverse double negative reality inversion. Please consult your local pub, use the attitude you use on this Forum. After you've got out of hospital I'm sure everyone here will be happy to hear all about your recovery

and, no I havn't got the CD yet ...

nothing is true, everything is permitted

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:34 am

doomstep wrote:
nothing is true, everything is permitted

someones painted that on a wall I see every morning when I cycle to work.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:59 am

elemental wrote:
doomstep wrote:
nothing is true, everything is permitted
someones painted that on a wall I see every morning when I cycle to work.

Assasins in the area !?!

amen-ra · Post by **amen-ra** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:58 pm

If u wanna hear fresh shit then listen to the pirate radio sets. Does this just come down to u being a vinyl junky and just needing your vinyl-fix?
If so then just seckle

I love Rinse FM, its all I need. Dont need no scene to get big. The vibes down DMZ are keepin tings wicked as well

Too much complaining brings out the yawn yawn in me Dubmugga trust

ANYWAY

Opinions be opinons be opinions be opinions. Its like banging your head against a wall

Hurry up and wait

amen-ra · Post by **amen-ra** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:07 pm

Thats not to say that it wouldnt be "good" if the scene got "big". But how would that effect me as a dubstep fan? I'l be attending more dances and buying more tunes- big deal!!!

People would still eventualy look back to the early DMZ days and say- where have they gone? (is going to Metalheadz today like going to Metalheadz back in the days?)

Lets not deal with disillusion

The boyz at the top of the dubstep tree are spreading the vibe, they do all they can, its for the people to embrace or reject it.

U cant force feed them

random trio · Post by **random trio** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:27 pm

dubmugga wrote: and real dubstep isn't neccesarily about good vibes, some of it is just pure frustration and darkness manifesting itself as malevolent audio savagery...

serious bro, u need 2 come over here and experiance it first hand. see whats happening

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:37 pm

dubmugga wrote: and real dubstep isn't neccesarily about good vibes, some of it is just pure frustration and darkness manifesting itself as malevolent audio savagery...

This explains a lot of your approach on the board man. Dubstep is ALL about the vibes, Dubstep is pretty much all about the club experience. Bowling out with your mates and girls and hearing bass to make your rib cage rattle. At least that's why I love it so much. It is feel good music.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:13 pm

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:58 pm

yeah would love to come over, would love to go to NY too and vancouver, miami, heaps of places but I got big commitments here...

...see the difference is we make beats cos we can and we like to. There is no no one around us making or playing beats like us. Pretty much the only place we hear dubstep is in our homes

The net is like a vent for me, a place to blow off steam so my real life doesn't get swamped by extraneous bullshit and no I'm not that frustrated... :shock:

...I think it's island fever. I really do need to get out one day. If Jared and I ever make it to the northern hemisphere look out

cheers guys...

here's something i wrote years ago, a process of ongoing critical evaluation

accept nothing as fact
question everything
determine your own truth
define your own reality

sequethin · Post by **sequethin** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:18 pm

dubmugga wrote: accept nothing as fact
question everything
determine your own truth
define your own reality

How's this suit you:

Believe nothing that you hear, and half of what you see.

To add 2 cents (US, but hey does that mean it's worth less? ) about dark vs good vibes... I don't know how but for some reason dark music can make me feel better when I'm down. There's time's I feel like shit and "happy" music makes me just want to throw things. It's amazing how stuff can work backwards sometimes. As far as a good bassline goes (dubstep or otherwise)... I haven't found a way to describe my whole body vibrating as anything but good. But maybe that's because I've never experienced an earthquake.....

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:53 pm

yeah i can relate sequethin...

...first time i played our tune "coldtap" in the van at night driving around the city i just wanted to run people over

there was nothing goodvibe about it. I just wanted to fuck somone up...

I work concerts all the time and can't handle too much bass pressure, makes my insides, ummm dont' know what the word is to describe the feeling but its not a good vibe

even some of the stuff Jared does with compression feels like it's sucking the air outta my ears and making them want to bleed or liquifying my brain and making it want to dribble out my ears

dunno how i'd last in forward or dmz but would love to hear our shit get played out on a big system

kion · Post by **kion** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:13 pm

[waffle]I could just eat a vitamin pill but I like the taste of fruit and veg ta v much. I could ride my bike into town, or hop in my car, or get on the bus, or hail down a taxi rather than just walk.

What's this waffle about? Choices, not replacements. You can now go to a club and hear a DJ spinning vinyl, CD's, Ableton or Serato all in the same set.

Tools (and media) of the trade, they come and go - some will stick and make things better.

But some won't. They said the C5 was the next big thing... glad I kept my bike.

[/waffle]

Things are always changing and evolving. Trying to force an issue doesn't get you anywhere.

Short run vinyl holds a vibe within each piece of plastic that no potentially unlimited mp3 replication could ever achieve. So as a vibe creator you can't beat it, and that's what it's all about

omen · Post by **omen** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:14 pm

its music that peeps loves labels work 2 break evan coz the love it not coz there arsed about a mainstream breakthrough well some are

an ye u do need manners everyone else has em

I make grime an dubstep coz i love it i dont care if i get money back from a release or anything jus as long as my music is contributing to the scene

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