Dubstep, Breakstep, Grime definition

Post by **dubway** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:45 pm

To clear up confusion for nucomers, i finally found some explicit definition of these terms by Mr Blackdown (who else

):
http://www.dissensus.com//showpost.php? ... ostcount=5

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:43 pm

Hahaha, someone should post that Dubstep definition up on Wikipedia, so that it will stop redirecting to Grime with just some pithy aside about it being "instrumental" grime.

Well, since it's Wikipedia, I guess technically *I* could start doing that.

bze · Post by **bze** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:12 pm

I'm not too familiar with the scene which has formed the dubstep as it is now because of the london-based roots. I personally like to use term "intelligent breaks" when it comes to dub/breakstep. Might be a bit provocative for some, but I think it's suitable it since most of the dubstep sound consentrates on creating interesting beats backed up with creative use of fx and atmosphere.

heh, instrumental grime.. no way.

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:19 pm

The prefix "intelligent" is always a bit of a slipperly slope though, IMO.

Like when the term "intelligent drum'n'bass" was used to describe '94-'96 Bukem'ish type of drum'n'bass...I don't see what made those tunes any more "intelligent" then a say, a Source Direct tune of the same era. The general vibe is different, yes, but I don't think atmosphere necessarily == intelligence.

Also, I don't see dubstep as a subset breaks. It's kinda hard for me to put to words, but I know that I don't like breaks....i do however like dubstep

bze · Post by **bze** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:59 pm

RickyRicardo wrote:Like when the term "intelligent drum'n'bass" was used to describe '94-'96 Bukem'ish type of drum'n'bass...I don't see what made those tunes any more "intelligent" then a say, a Source Direct tune of the same era. The general vibe is different, yes, but I don't think atmosphere necessarily == intelligence.

Also, I don't see dubstep as a subset breaks. It's kinda hard for me to put to words, but I know that I don't like breaks....i do however like dubstep

Intelligent like Photek, Klute & friends. A great deal of though in arrangement and selection of sounds. Atmosphere is not the main point in 'intelligent', it's more like the whole setting and how it's assembled. There's always lots of confusion when talking about styles but I see it this way. People always think "Good Looking" when the intelligent-something is mentioned but there's a much wider set of artists and different soundscapes. Good Looking is kind of de-facto but it's not the whole thing of course.

Most people however recognise dubstep as "breaks" when heard. Dubstep is not quite a full subset of breaks or "instrumental grime" whatever but there's a lot in common.

vexin · Post by **vexin** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:14 pm

Nooooooooooo! throw the word "intelligent" in the bin where it belongs. Alarm bells ring when I hear that word touting round.

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:33 pm

dubway wrote:http://www.dissensus.com//showpost.php? ... ostcount=5

hehe good points in there

bruno belluomini · Post by **bruno belluomini** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:58 pm

Good definitions...

Best,

Bruno Belluomini.

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:48 am

Breakstep really came about thanks to DJ Deekline, DJ Quest, Ed209 and more of the West London crews...deekline although he couldn't give a toss should really be given more credit for what he did in the early days...transforming ukg completely with don't smoke and allowing others to follow his path-i.e. breakout of the cheesy crap garage got stuck in.

The Forward crew...oris, zinc, zed bias all contributed heavily as well - each of them making a fucking boatload of amazing beats.

And then came the new skoolers!!!

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:08 am

vexin wrote:Nooooooooooo! throw the word "intelligent" in the bin where it belongs. Alarm bells ring when I hear that word touting round.

YEs. As a membre of thh "dumb braeks" comunitty, and long time followere of "dumb and bass", I find this tirm effensive!

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Iscuse, me, i druled on the keybored again.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:26 am

reminds me of a joke I made up ages ago...

...what do you get if you take the r'n'b outta drum'n'bass ???

it's what happened when jungle became techstep and d'n'b...

atomly · Post by **atomly** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:01 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

There ya go. Edit away.

psycho · Post by **psycho** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:39 pm

What 's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet!

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:06 pm

atomly wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

There ya go. Edit away.

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:41 pm

atomly wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

There ya go. Edit away.

Big!!! Thanks for starting the process!

I'm nowhere near the wordsmith Martin is, so I just did some formatting, and marked off a few links I think could be expanded.

freqone · Post by **freqone** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:38 am

Call me wack, but I never liked the use of the word"intelligent" when speaking or describing a musical genre.

kins83 · Post by **kins83** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:55 am

You're wack.

7" · Post by 7" » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:12 pm

ez

freqone you are not a wack, you are a digger... you had dig an ancient thread innit.

although i do use the term IDM (intelligent dance music) im not completely a follower of calling a music genre as an intelligent form of creation, but its a definition that everyone does for some experimental and atmospheric beats and if its so popular and highly recurrent so it be, its just like the word\definition of dubstep and as for many other genres.

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:31 pm

vexin wrote:Nooooooooooo! throw the word "intelligent" in the bin where it belongs. Alarm bells ring when I hear that word touting round.

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