2 step / garage breaks

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:27 pm

asusu wrote:
Serox wrote:
cool.
I dont even know where the shuffle button is in Reason/Cubase lol.

I write every hit myself on a keyboard. Only way to make music imo.

Filling in a grid with a mouse will sound exactly that.
not a bad thing necessarily? i don't see how it's any different if you still quantize your hits.

unleash the power of shuffle!!

your tunes won't sound robotic that way

and LOL @ shuffle button

SMH

Serox wrote:nod your head and feel it

^^^essential

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:33 pm

FSTZ wrote:
snugfelix wrote:could you expand on Triplet grid? i dont know what that is.
you dont know what triplets are?

I think people should have a basic understanding of music before they start producing

a simple questionnaire before they can log in to the production area maybe?

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:36 pm

FSTZ wrote:
your tunes won't sound robotic that way

and LOL @ shuffle button

SMH

Serox wrote:nod your head and feel it

^^^essential

exactly. Its funny how the so called big players in Dubstep (not saying any names) have most of their drums on 1/4 or 1/8?!?!!

Som1 just pointed out to me Reason does have a Shuffle button the redrum. I dont use Redrum so didnt know, lol.

snugfelix · Post by **snugfelix** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:46 pm

FSTZ wrote:
snugfelix wrote:could you expand on Triplet grid? i dont know what that is.
you dont know what triplets are?

I think people should have a basic understanding of music before they start producing

dont be a bell end..im sure you've had to ask some 'stupid questions' in the past.

Also yes, if i had a midi controller then i would put beats in that way, unfortunately it broke when i was moving house. so until then..the matrix sequencer is fine and good to get ideas down quickly

snugfelix · Post by **snugfelix** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:48 pm

FSTZ wrote:
Serox wrote:nod your head and feel it

^^^essential

FSTZ i want to hear your tunes, they must be boom if you can always give input like this..seminal.

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:54 pm

FSTZ wrote:
snugfelix wrote:could you expand on Triplet grid? i dont know what that is.
you dont know what triplets are?

I think people should have a basic understanding of music before they start producing

thats pretty much up there with the biggest load of crap ive ever heard, it did make me laugh though, but for the wrong reasons

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:01 pm

snugfelix wrote:
Also yes, if i had a midi controller then i would put beats in that way, unfortunately it broke when i was moving house. so until then..the matrix sequencer is fine and good to get ideas down quickly

I would instead just push record and then while things are playing click the mouse over the virtual keyboard so it puts the hits down for you.

Try it;)

asusu · Post by **asusu** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:07 pm

<<agreed (darkmatteruk). ive read interviews with countless 'big' producers who use simple techniques. appleblim sometimes uses basic fruity sounds and just changes em. i think (not sure tho) that skream was once quoted as saying he uses presets. a technical producer can be shit, i hear plenty of pretentious well produced shit ona daily basis. it sounds like a cliche thing to say, but it's about feelings and vibes. burial claims to have very little technical knowledge, there's that old interview (blackdown blogspot i think) where he goes on about 'tech boy' producers. older 'proto' dubstep, the early stuff on the grime compilations etc is really quite basic stuff, same with proper grime.

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:11 pm

The techy side is not that important but you need to know a few things of course.

Play with your drums, get a groove and get a hook. disco.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:16 pm

snugfelix wrote:could you expand on Triplet grid? i dont know what that is..

Since everyone else is being so helpful

Triplets are basically having three evenly spaced notes in the space you'd normally have two.

Basically

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'straight' beat eg trance:
K           K           K           K      
h  h  H  h  h  h  H  h  h  h  H  h  h  h  H  h  

Triplet beat:
K           K           K           K           
h h h H h h h h h H h h h h h H h h h h h H h h
Swung beat:
K           K           K           K           
h   h H   h h   h H   h h   h H   h h   h H   h

And the triplet grid is a grid (on a piano roll or drum editor) that divides into threes rather than twos at some level so you can write quantized beats in triplets.

There are other degrees of swing though, which is why a lot of sequencers have more complicated groove patterns. Or yeah, you can turn quantize off and do everything by feel if you want.

Otherwise, yeah, short pitched up drum sounds are your friend...

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:26 pm

I think the easiest way to understand Triplets is to load up Reason make a short loop and stick it on triplets and hit the keys while record is on!

in the below screenshot you see at the top where it says 1/4, change that to 1/6t (the T = triplet)

snugfelix · Post by **snugfelix** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:17 pm

thank you to everyone who made this thread useful.

already just from adivce from this thread im making the kind of sounds im after.

k_k · Post by **k_k** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:06 pm

Get hold of a garage/2 step loop and some garage samples then try to recreate that loop using samples till you get it perfect. then youll be able to make garage/2 step breaks

tempromental · Post by **tempromental** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:28 pm

ive got quite a few garage break .wav samples if they're any good to ya (individual hits), some are from Grant Nelson, other are off a sample CD i bought years ago, but theyre all good and garagey sounding. The earliest I can do an upload is tomorrow though as im at work at the mo!

Also if youve got FL i can send over a pre made 2 step beat in a FL file if you want to see where everything should go, it was taken from the track "destiny" by Dem2, all the hits individually ripped, then arranged again back in order.

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:42 am

tempromental wrote:
Also if youve got FL i can send over a pre made 2 step beat in a FL file if you want to see where everything should go, it was taken from the track "destiny" by Dem2, all the hits individually ripped, then arranged again back in order.

I would be interested in that also. I have never really been into 2step so have never even tried to make it.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:10 pm

Serox wrote:I think the easiest way to understand Triplets is to load up Reason make a short loop and stick it on triplets and hit the keys while record is on!

in the below screenshot you see at the top where it says 1/4, change that to 1/6t (the T = triplet)

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:11 pm

this thread is amazing

tempromental · Post by **tempromental** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:08 am

Sorry fellas i forgot i said i'd upload this! lol will do it when i get home in the morning

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:58 pm

tempromental wrote:Sorry fellas i forgot i said i'd upload this! lol will do it when i get home in the morning

tempromental · Post by **tempromental** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:28 pm

At last here are the samples! My PSU went on my home PC

They're all zipped up and are in 3 folders for Kicks, Hi- hats, and snares in .wav format. Most of them are for UK garage.

Samples - Download Link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OGWF8FTX

Also here is the Dem 2 - Destiny 2-step beat fruity loops file. Do NOT uncompress the zip file when you've downloaded it.
Open Fruity in the normal way, do File -> Open, then browse to the zip file and choose the "open" button, and everything should load up and be in the right place.

Destiny - Download Link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XNJBEMLF

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