Dubstep is old. Let's move on.

[plasticrobot]

http://www.plasticrobot.net/2008/08/dub ... ve-on.html

A new article posted on www.plasticrobot.net

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things are changing, and it can most definitely be a good thing.

PR

[gremino]

Brave, if not even an audacious post!

Will give it a read!

[the wiggle baron]

I dont really understand what the point/message of it is?
The "dubstep is old, move on" business seems more like an attention grabbing headline than a well considered and backed up point to me.

Feel free to enlighten me though

[spencertron]

http://www.plasticrobot.net/2008/08/dub ... ve-on.html

A new article posted on www.plasticrobot.net

please have a read and let us know your thoughts

good read

i agree with the bit about artists writing without the dancefloor in mind catering for "Listeners outside of the club"... loosely related to writing tunes that will "mix well" (i.e. 32 bar intro's etc)...can be a bad thing for any music developing further...i think once you're out of this mindset, you begin writing 'songs' and so stuff...can erm...evolve...in my humble opinion

[immortal]

I thought that was well written (as too not offend anyone) and some interesting points raised,refreshing too have some constructive criticism of the genre rather than people just bigging it up or slagging it off,nice one

[kulture]

Fair point.

I just hope that if someone wants to release an artistic album, they don't instantly get compared to Burial and said to be following him just because they have inspirational aspects of a similar musical taste. This is the problem with genres..

[ytee]

They have a whole different, and may I say, horrifying set of problems. What's my niche in this genre? Who should I get to play out my tracks? What labels should I send them to? These are just a few questions I often see browsing the forums online.

what about just making music for the love of it. Instead of worrying about this pointless shit.

[DFRNT]

I'm with you on the part about it being good to see producers working towards listener albums, as opposed to churning out as big a bassline as possible so if it's played out on the dancefloor it gets a big response.

I'd like to see more well-considered thought-out tracks where there's melodies, chords and a nice progression - while still retaining the elements of 'dubstep' that make it so.

Personally I'm working towards a more headphone-orientated listener-base as opposed to clubnights or dancefloors. SUre - it might not work out that way in the long-run, but it gives me a promising forward-vision for now.

[kulture]

what about just making music for the love of it. Instead of worrying about this pointless shit.

Composers often come across this question and amongst the many, many lecturers and composers I've asked, the majority roughly say:

"There's music you make for money, and music you make for yourself. You decide the balance you want".

Obviously certain composers write more of one type than the other and it shows in their work. Music is music, art is art and money is money. It's all the people with two much time and the inability to reserve their thoughts (ie. forum heads) that get all worked up with these issues.

I'm kinda ashamed I even post on this forum.. maybe I should stop.

[eshscramble]

what about just making music for the love of it. Instead of worrying about this pointless shit.

i love making music- and i catch myself worrying about this pointless shit from time to time... isn't that why we're all on this forum instead of making tunes?

good article! positive points indeed[/u][/b]

[eshscramble]

nicely done kulture

agreed

i'll stop posting if you stop posting!

[cixxxj]

what about just making music for the love of it. Instead of worrying about this pointless shit.

+ infinite

[seckle]

good read.

its not "old" though. disco is old, hip hop is old. this music is still growing up.

[Pada]

I dont really understand what the point/message of it is?
The "dubstep is old, move on" business seems more like an attention grabbing headline than a well considered and backed up point to me.

Feel free to enlighten me though

this. ok read though

[claw]

dubstep sucks tbh


all about electro this year if you ask me...lol

[misk]

definitely a thought-provoking post, and it's nice, as someone said before myself, to see some criticism of the genre that's more constructive and though out than much of what's been stated before.

dig that previous article too about "exciting times" or whatever.

EDIT: oh, and i agree that by modern terms, dubstep is rather old - but i'm still getting a lot of mileage out of it!

[djshiva]

to me, one of the biggest issues of any niche genre is the self-referential aspect, when people spend more time imitating the biggest artists in the genre, because it's all they are listening to.

it's always a good idea to listen to a wide variety of music, and not to concentrate too hard on the formulas of a genre.

i don't think dubstep is dead. i hear plenty of innovation, although i do think that there are a lot of unknown artists who are pushing further than the big names. that said, there are still plenty of known producers who are still really interesting to me.

that said, i would like to hear a little more creativity and thought from the DJ end of things. many sets i hear are just this week's dubs strung end to end, with no rhyme or reason, and no real ideas behind how they are put together. a lot of that comes from the "big drop" mentality, and it gets really boring really quickly.

and i think that plays into this feeling that there is no innovation. when DJs are wanting the overt reaction from the crowd, they are gonna head more for the "big drops". that ends up saturating events and people's ears with the same ole same ole, and lends itself to less thoughtful putting together of tunes. it's a vicious circle really.

but it's one we have all seen before, in many electronic genres. this is nothing new. and so the circle becomes macro. LOL

i guess i would just challenge both producers and DJs to think less about the personal glory of the crowd reaction to the "big drop" and more about the ideas (personal, political, spiritual....whatever, just reach for some artistic vision) they want to express both with music and DJing.

[kion]

What I find interesting is the inevitable hierarchy of snobbishness that seems to develop with any evolving musical form. During times like this there are people that slate dancefloor material as 'low' and devoid of any artistic merit, whereas it's quite often the most difficult to produce well, and make work in such a harsh environment as a club where the demands of an audience are pushed into a cohesive fundamental that is very different to that of an individual's taste and mood in their own private space.

It's these extremes that in my own humble opinion push music forward, not the 'musical' or 'album' based forms that are inevitably going to emerge during this transient phase. We're entering a 'progressive' (eww) period where the more musical tracks are fostering more attention - don't get me wrong I love these many directions the music is going in, but it can always go down any route too far, for example, to the point of coffee table lounge music that will eventually cause it to become as irrelevant as [insert redundant ineffectual musical force here].

I'm a raver at heart I suppose, so when I play out I like to kick-up some musical sand, but there's a place for everything - different spokes for different yolks.

You live in your house and park your car in the garage - people will always love party music, and people will always love album music to chill to. As long as producers find their space to do what they individually do well, it's all gravy. And if producers want to make a living from their passion all the better. The ironic thing is the better a producer gets, the more they get slated as being 'rubbish' or whatever.

A friend of mine tells me quite often that he gets slated for producing electro house chart fodder - again, some people love it some hate it - all subjective, but he churns them out and makes a mint doing what he loves - making music, and is one talented mofo. He asks these people who are ripping into him if they also produce music, and if they say yes, he goes on to ask them where they work. It's usually some shitty 9-5 job that they hate. Is that 'keeping it real'? Or is that just being a mug to the corporate cock-machine? I don't think I'll be going down the electro house route any time soon, but fair play for not having to do music in his spare time around a job he absolutely loathes.

[bella]

wtf? i read that ish and it was interesting to a point., i mean come on why does everything have to be analyzed or pigeon holed. theres tons of dance floor music by numbers dj friendly 32 bar intro tunes that i fucking love and theres another ton of tracks that arnt meant for the club that i love aswell. music is music end of. if it makes me move if it makes me cry laugh shout scream think then thats alll i care about. i care about having an emotion from what i make/hear. i make my music and it seems to fall into the "dubstep" category more than any other (which is fine). the dubstep genra has meant that my sound has now got an audience, a very small 1 but still people from the dubtep scene are into my tune (hence me now being a member here). "dubstep" to me is just good music! whatever it might be its jus good music. * sorry to waffle on)

[kion]

dubstep is the new acid house. (no really it is). It's more rampant than a randy rabbit on kamagra jellies.