Dubstep is old. Let's move on.

[veil]

Yeah, a good read and some interesting, positive points.

With a little help from the labels, producers will transmit the label vision flawlessly- and in turn, the label will prosper from a catalog of tunes that not only fit the label, but draw in listeners and DJs alike.

I think it's very difficult for a label to guide its artists over a period of time when they are not signed exclusively to them, which of course requires an advance budget out of reach of all but the biggest dubstep labels. Even if they are signed exclusively, it can very easily cause resentment and has to be done in exactly the right way to avoid the artist being made to feel their work is inadequate. Cherry-picking artists on a record-by-record basis is the only way for the smaller labels, but a label with a strong vision will attract the appropriate artists I guess.

Thought provoking stuff.

[misk]

Yeah, a good read and some interesting, positive points.

With a little help from the labels, producers will transmit the label vision flawlessly- and in turn, the label will prosper from a catalog of tunes that not only fit the label, but draw in listeners and DJs alike.

I think it's very difficult for a label to guide its artists over a period of time when they are not signed exclusively to them, which of course requires an advance budget out of reach of all but the biggest dubstep labels. Even if they are signed exclusively, it can very easily cause resentment and has to be done in exactly the right way to avoid the artist being made to feel their work is inadequate. Cherry-picking artists on a record-by-record basis is the only way for the smaller labels, but a label with a strong vision will attract the appropriate artists I guess.

Thought provoking stuff.

agreed. i think that perhaps artists need to understand that if they choose a label that resonates with them, and the label is interested in taking the time to foster creativity in the artists, then not only will the music benefit, but the label, and the artist will benefit by having a more unique product (the music) as well as being more likely to generate more income for both parties. Really, like burial once said in blackdown's interview. we're like small groups of people off in the dark, each doing our own things, but skanking in the dark together.

i dont remember if it was there or in some magazine article, but you get me...

[misk]

artists need to realize that it's not about collecting label names to put after their name on a flyer.

[pompende]

i'm not sure what you're trying to say here...
clearly it has nothing to do with the title, which is a bit distressing for me...

so you think labels need to spend more time digging for unsigned dubs? because you don't feel up to the task of sending your dubs off to the labels?
and you want everyone to make tons of money?


oh, and altho you surely already know this, it bears mentioning that your prime example...burial...did not get signed because he had dubs on myspace, but because he sent his tapes to kode9...before kode even had a label.

[Tangka]

to me, one of the biggest issues of any niche genre is the self-referential aspect, when people spend more time imitating the biggest artists in the genre, because it's all they are listening to.

it's always a good idea to listen to a wide variety of music, and not to concentrate too hard on the formulas of a genre.

i don't think dubstep is dead. i hear plenty of innovation, although i do think that there are a lot of unknown artists who are pushing further than the big names. that said, there are still plenty of known producers who are still really interesting to me.

that said, i would like to hear a little more creativity and thought from the DJ end of things. many sets i hear are just this week's dubs strung end to end, with no rhyme or reason, and no real ideas behind how they are put together. a lot of that comes from the "big drop" mentality, and it gets really boring really quickly.

and i think that plays into this feeling that there is no innovation. when DJs are wanting the overt reaction from the crowd, they are gonna head more for the "big drops". that ends up saturating events and people's ears with the same ole same ole, and lends itself to less thoughtful putting together of tunes. it's a vicious circle really.

but it's one we have all seen before, in many electronic genres. this is nothing new. and so the circle becomes macro. LOL

i guess i would just challenge both producers and DJs to think less about the personal glory of the crowd reaction to the "big drop" and more about the ideas (personal, political, spiritual....whatever, just reach for some artistic vision) they want to express both with music and DJing.

word

the way i see it is that we all play a role in the music's evolution. personally i find it annoying that every time i go out to a show its HARD CORE bassline heavy drop madness, as my personal preferences (dancing and listening) lean towards more positive deep and spiritual stuff. I plan on doing my part to promote the sounds i feel and allstars v6 was very reassuring. all in all tho, i respect what other people are into even if it clashes with my interests and is wrapped up in the same 'genre' and thats the way it is.

edit: what i also mean to say is, i dont find that there is much of a balance in what is playing on the dance floors. balance is all i ask for - some djs throwing some more smooth music. there doesnt seem to be this balance right now where i'm at. just the same 'type' of dubstep every time... that's my gripe

[flashharry]

Might I congratulate you on contributing to the deluge of bloggers with A LOT OF OPINIONS BUT NOTHING TO GIVE

THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOUR FACE AND BLOG

CAN YOU MOVE ON PLS

READ A BOOK

[eshscramble]

Hahaha did that feel good? You don't have to get all tall about it... There are some really good points on here. a book? No, you need to get laid.

[caos]

make whatever music you want...how you want to make it.

being told "how it should sound" or or whats wrong with a music genre is wasting time...they should listen to something else or make something else

[sines]

[flashharry]

Hahaha did that feel good? You don't have to get all tall about it... There are some really good points on here. a book? No, you need to get laid.

do i? why dont u write a blog about it?

[feasible_weasel]

compared to other genres the dubstep scene is extremely eklectic...

[eshscramble]

Um no. I don't really care about your sex life or your opinion... Posted with nothing to give... I'm in no place to defend anyone but myself. I just thought it was excessive to resort to all caps. and thought I'd have a laugh about how upset you decided to be. It just seemed ridiculous at the time.
My bad.

[3275]

If you consider Dubstep a job, then I suggest that you quit.
Keep it fresh, push boundaries.. Make music from the heart.

[Tangka]

how upset you decided to be

sorry to poke more, but this is pure gold

[jimitheexploder]

I dont really understand what the point/message of it is?
The "dubstep is old, move on" business seems more like an attention grabbing headline than a well considered and backed up point to me.

Feel free to enlighten me though

this. ok read though

I agree with these two I didn't quite get ya point it was a bit messy overall. Keep writing though its always cool to read pasionate peoples opinions...

[misk]

If you consider Dubstep a job, then I suggest that you quit.
Keep it fresh, push boundaries.. Make music from the heart.

haha. thats the quote of the century right there. the most original thing i've heard anyone say on this forum since i got here

[two oh one]

Nice points raised.

Labels, Schmabels.

Artists should get wise to labels, who are often going to do very little for them. It seems like the labels get more out of the whole deal with the tens of, erm, tens of sales.

Labels that approach artists should be offering something other than the usual "you should be happy that somebody is showing interest in your tracks' bollocks. I know that the money isn't there and probably never likely will be (If we're going to be brutally honest) , but what about just furthering the artist? People who start these labels should have some experience, contacts, whatever. Something that the artist doesn't have. Something to bring to the table.

Myself, as an artist whose dub stuff is as yet unattached to any label, I can get my music in countless online stores and played on the radio, including *real* radio stations, not just the web ones. I can get it considered for commercial use. I can get physical copies into record stores as long as I'm willing to do the leg/phone work. Anybody reading this can do the same.

As a label, what do I need YOU for? What are you going to do for ME?

I'd like to see more labels with some form of manifesto that makes them stand alone from all the identikit two-bollocks-sat-in-a-bedroom-making-a-webpage-on-a-computer labels, or 'labels' as most seem to be. I love the punky DIY aspect of it all, but bloody hell. Stand up and stand out. If you can't offer money, offer a place to gather and nurture like minds.

Who do I blame? The panderers. Too much pandering, not enough vision.

[djshiva]

Nice points raised.

Labels, Schmabels.

Artists should get wise to labels, who are often going to do very little for them. It seems like the labels get more out of the whole deal with the tens of, erm, tens of sales.

Labels that approach artists should be offering something other than the usual "you should be happy that somebody is showing interest in your tracks' bollocks. I know that the money isn't there and probably never likely will be (If we're going to be brutally honest) , but what about just furthering the artist? People who start these labels should have some experience, contacts, whatever. Something that the artist doesn't have. Something to bring to the table.

Myself, as an artist whose dub stuff is as yet unattached to any label, I can get my music in countless online stores and played on the radio, including *real* radio stations, not just the web ones. I can get it considered for commercial use. I can get physical copies into record stores as long as I'm willing to do the leg/phone work. Anybody reading this can do the same.

As a label, what do I need YOU for? What are you going to do for ME?

I'd like to see more labels with some form of manifesto that makes them stand alone from all the identikit two-bollocks-sat-in-a-bedroom-making-a-webpage-on-a-computer labels, or 'labels' as most seem to be. I love the punky DIY aspect of it all, but bloody hell. Stand up and stand out. If you can't offer money, offer a place to gather and nurture like minds.

Who do I blame? The panderers. Too much pandering, not enough vision.

yes. all of this.

[misk]

Nice points raised.

Labels, Schmabels.

Artists should get wise to labels, who are often going to do very little for them. It seems like the labels get more out of the whole deal with the tens of, erm, tens of sales.

Labels that approach artists should be offering something other than the usual "you should be happy that somebody is showing interest in your tracks' bollocks. I know that the money isn't there and probably never likely will be (If we're going to be brutally honest) , but what about just furthering the artist? People who start these labels should have some experience, contacts, whatever. Something that the artist doesn't have. Something to bring to the table.

Myself, as an artist whose dub stuff is as yet unattached to any label, I can get my music in countless online stores and played on the radio, including *real* radio stations, not just the web ones. I can get it considered for commercial use. I can get physical copies into record stores as long as I'm willing to do the leg/phone work. Anybody reading this can do the same.

As a label, what do I need YOU for? What are you going to do for ME?

I'd like to see more labels with some form of manifesto that makes them stand alone from all the identikit two-bollocks-sat-in-a-bedroom-making-a-webpage-on-a-computer labels, or 'labels' as most seem to be. I love the punky DIY aspect of it all, but bloody hell. Stand up and stand out. If you can't offer money, offer a place to gather and nurture like minds.

Who do I blame? The panderers. Too much pandering, not enough vision.

yes. all of this.

squared.

[eshscramble]

damn, this shit's got over a thousand views since i saw it on my first 10 minute break at work. in all honesty, i think two oh one's post is where it's at


so to be lame... cubed.