Boxcutter etc,. style breaks.

noitnemretsim · Post by **noitnemretsim** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:06 am

Gangsters,

Im trying hard to get that drill n Bass sound used by boxcutter and flashbulb to name a couple.

I tried using pitch shifters and the like but it ends up sounding like its being played fast with no real definition of individual hits.

Ive tried programming it all and I can achieve it with this but Id rather chop loops and effect them individually then having to make millions of midi patterns.

Black up!

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:33 am

you need a bunch of shit going on. also, edit edit edit edit. sound forge/protools/whatever editing. WAVE editing. edit the fucking master channel after it's all down. cut cut cut. that is how boxcutter does it. if he's using plugins he's a cigarette, but if he's editing it all down, that's true gangsta. telefon tel aviv. listen to them. it's all hand edited. no plugins or faggy dblue glitch lame shit.

work work work. cut edit paste make it right.

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:05 am

black lotus wrote: faggy dblue glitch lame shit.

was horrible when there was a wave of dblue glitch tunes out there. the tool can be good if you use it subtlely (and actually enter your own settings) and avoid going spazzmatic using every effect available in less than a few seconds of audio.

but yeah for glitchy breaks and edits its all about manually chopping it up to shit and playing with all of the velocity,cut of freq,pitch etc etc... .

takes longer but you got much more control.

james fox · Post by **james fox** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:13 am

black lotus wrote:telefon tel aviv.

unbelievable production skills, in terms of detailing, sound design, mixdowns, sound quality, the whole nine yards.

11eight · Post by **11eight** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:18 am

yeh i second that, love their album

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:27 am

gonna have to check telefon out after these words of praise. any album/tunes specifically?

james fox · Post by **james fox** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:37 am

dTruk wrote:gonna have to check telefon out after these words of praise. any album/tunes specifically?

the 'fahrenheit fair enough' LP i reckon

osk · Post by **osk** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:54 am

Hecq.

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:23 pm

actual screen shot from TTA studio. this is what the track 'fahrenheit fair enough' looks like in pro tools.

noitnemretsim · Post by **noitnemretsim** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:04 am

I figured as much!

I was just hoping as Im not a fan of glitch plugs either.

Murder Murder.

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:39 am

There was even a video on Ableton's site about Telefon Tel Aviv.

james fox · Post by **james fox** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:12 pm

black lotus wrote:

actual screen shot from TTA studio. this is what the track 'fahrenheit fair enough' looks like in pro tools.

cool.

yeah thought it would be like this, the bit where it starts glitching out is proper jaw dropping

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:31 pm

i don't think The task of making things glitchty or granular has to be as laborious, given the right algorithms/tools or effects and using them well...take a listen to this i just made...

duglitchclipmp3.mp3 - 0.97MB

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:53 pm

not dubstep but this guy stuff is sick http://www.myspace.com/edit

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:18 pm

that's the difference between edIT and telefon.. telefon doesn't use plugins, edit is using grain plugins in max/MSP.

different ways of working, but i'd say telefon's music is entirely more interesting than edIT which ended up coming out years after telefon dropped.

i used to be into algorithmic sequencing and granular processing and it's still interesting. but only from a technical stand point. hand editing is still a labor of love.

spencer: is this reaktor, or is this destroyFX? if this is reaktor you have some nice tools there.

also, so i don't sound completely full of shit:

https://www.yousendit.com/download/bVlC ... M2xMWEE9PQ

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:31 pm

Sounds noice

black lotus wrote:
spencer: is this reaktor, or is this destroyFX?

Made it with reaktor.

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:50 pm

spencerTron wrote:
Made it with reaktor.

thanks mate. any chance of swapping some ensembles? i'd love to look at the processing of whatever you're using. i've seen a couple liveCut type of ensembles but they never quite worked right.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:48 am

black lotus wrote:
spencerTron wrote:
Made it with reaktor.

thanks mate. any chance of swapping some ensembles? i'd love to look at the processing of whatever you're using. i've seen a couple liveCut type of ensembles but they never quite worked right.

i'll do an upload once the live ensemble i use is perfect but at the minute, its all a bit chaotic and besides most of the granular stuff i use is borrowed pogramming with macro's from the UL.

Have you bought EI2 for reaktor? really worth it, for everything FastFX in there is just like livecut, except you have more control than livecut.

you can get it here but it was half the price when i bought it fom them

http://www.dv247.com/invt/23707/

thecatinside · Post by **thecatinside** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:48 pm

I might be completely off the track here but I believe that somewhere on the interwebs there was a mention that Boxcutter was using reaktor. It has plenty of beatmachines which are capable of those drillin idm-drums.

But what I know for sure is that Telefon Tel Aviv uses Reaktor for those drums. There are ensembles made by them floating on the net and even some snapshots of the factory ensembles are by them.

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:27 pm

thecatinside wrote: But what I know for sure is that Telefon Tel Aviv uses Reaktor for those drums. There are ensembles made by them floating on the net and even some snapshots of the factory ensembles are by them.

they used reaktor to make a bunch of the sound designy aspects of it, some of the stretches and higher freqy stuff. they track it all out and do recording in protools.. some of it is recorded to tape first. 90% of the "glitch" is hand edited

Boxcutter etc,. style breaks.

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