Black Sun Empire Making Dubstep

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:01 pm

xx xy wrote:
madrpo wrote:Alot of Dubstep producers and DJ's seem to have come from DnB
really?

alot of dubstep producers are inspired by jungle and others by drum and bass. you can hear the ones inspired by the latter very quickly.

the separation i'm making is very intentional, as the differences in the sound between 2006 and 2008 is largely due to a majority of the newer music becoming more break orientated and more drop orientated, which is certainly from the DNB influence and not the jungle as much.

sure there were drops in jungle, but in the last 5 years of DNB, tunes are mostly being built around a big drop, and even a 2nd drop. this gives the music this rush to build up, and then the token blow up to fade out. the audience in DNB have been "programmed" over the last 8 years of this kind of thing to expect drops in the music.

in 2001-2005, tunes were being built without this influence. you had tunes with no drops, tunes that were completely meditative, and tunes that rolled from the first bar straight to the end without stops or drops or anything remotely predictable. all of that is largely gone in 2008.

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:03 pm

why is it that the vast majority of new school d&b acts who try and make dubstep all think dubstep is nothing more than distorted midrange basslines, comically "dark" textures and snares on the third?

These tracks sounded exactly like I expected them to. which is depressing in its predictability.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:06 pm

I caught BSE browsing SNH yesterday, was wondering what they were doing on there....

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:10 pm

and before someone starts talking conspiracies and start making "dubstep" the enemy, and calling us all haters, please check out martyn.

martyn is nearly universally loved in this scene, and chiefly due to the fact that he writes music first and worries about what genre it is afterwards.

reverendmedia · Post by **reverendmedia** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:10 pm

Blackdown wrote:acts who try and make dubstep

that's the trouble - people setting out to make a 'dubstep' tune are limiting themselves from the outset.

neveready · Post by **neveready** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:11 pm

not feeling the tunes. like some of the crews production on d&b side, but these didnt move me.

__________ · Post by **__________** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:11 pm

madrpo wrote:If these tracks had been put up by a 'Forum Head' I'm pretty sure the response would of been different.................I could be wrong though............

yeah if joe bloggs put them in the dubs section under ''my first dubstep beats, feedback appreciated'' he might get 5 or 10 replies saying ''good production skills, 320?"

but this is black sun empire

the problem is

Blackdown wrote: These tracks sounded exactly like I expected them to. which is depressing in its predictability.

bse have the potential to make some SICK tunes. remember driving insane? even a few from their second album are shit hot.

hopefully they make some dubstep that is dark dark dark mysterious dune music with the sick techno noises and arps that made their dnb so sick a few years ago

xxxy · Post by **xxxy** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:13 pm

Blackdown wrote:why is it that the vast majority of new school d&b acts who try and make dubstep all think dubstep is nothing more than distorted midrange basslines, comically "dark" textures and snares on the third?

These tracks sounded exactly like I expected them to. which is depressing in its predictability.

sadly that's what a lot of people think dubstep is

badga tek · Post by **badga tek** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:20 pm

Blackdown wrote:why is it that the vast majority of new school d&b acts who try and make dubstep all think dubstep is nothing more than distorted midrange basslines, comically "dark" textures and snares on the third?

I think its a lack of any real roots in dubstep. If you've only recently got into the scene or only followed it on a somewhat superficial basis then its impossible to know about the myriad developments, beautiful one-offs, unrealised possibilities of the scene.

Martyn's got to be the prime example of a d&b producer getting it right. But he seems to be fully aware and deeply enconsed in dubstep's garage roots as well as a wealth of other influences.

The best thing about 'dubstep' these days is the number of completely different sounds and approaches all linked these days by little more than a broadly similar tempo. People migrating from d&b seeing it as a slowed down version of their music (and one that is rapidly gaining in popularity, hence I think a key reason many big producers are migrating) are unlikely to come up with anything particularly inspiring IMO.

Relatedly, I've even been told that a big hip hop DJ who's recently started playing sets of dubstep anthems from the past 18 months (which I personally found eminently uninspiring) is a positive development. I can't say I agree.

xxxy · Post by **xxxy** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:05 pm

Badga Tek wrote:Relatedly, I've even been told that a big hip hop DJ who's recently started playing sets of dubstep anthems from the past 18 months (which I personally found eminently uninspiring) is a positive development. I can't say I agree.

dreamizm · Post by **dreamizm** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:11 pm

seckle wrote:
in the last 5 years of DNB, tunes are mostly being built around a big drop, and even a 2nd drop. this gives the music this rush to build up, and then the token blow up to fade out. the audience in DNB have been "programmed" over the last 8 years of this kind of thing to expect drops in the music.

in 2004-2005, tunes were being built without this influence. you had tunes with no drops, tunes that were completely meditative, and tunes that rolled from the first bar straight to the end without stops or drops or anything remotely predictable. all of that is largely gone in 2008.

Knowledge.

dubsteptim · Post by **dubsteptim** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:12 pm

mmmm these bits arent bad, better than pendulum

im interested to see where they go and what other bits they produce before i hand down judgement good or bad.

planas · Post by **planas** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:53 pm

only the tunes count ! not the background

fuckin' word up bun! music was around way before genres. i think The Prehistoric Guardian starting calling it "stick on dead animal skin noise" in about 3000 B.C. in my opinion a genre should be a reference not a religion...

fused_forces · Post by **fused_forces** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:06 pm

BunZer0 wrote:only the tunes count ! not the background

Well put Bun

Really feelin these, been playin both alot.

Big up BSE.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:29 pm

BunZer0 wrote:only the tunes count ! not the background

Well yeah, people are talking about the tunes...

The only difference is that if a new producer posts their first tune in the dubs section and it's a bit generic but well produced then people are going to be nice to them because it's the first time they've stuck their head over the parapet and they're probably fairly sensitive about it. If it's an established dnb producer with however many album sales and obvious technical skills then people expect better from them and feel less need to offer encouragement.

prisoner · Post by **prisoner** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:35 pm

i bet $100 i know exactly how their tunes sound without even listening to them.

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:37 pm

the fact u like or not a tune shouldn't be linked the producer background that's all i mean
the generic stuff is also made by big dubstep names...
just avoid generalities
big dubstep tunes have been made by guys like Tes La Rok, Martyn, Trg, Dj Madd, Matt U, 501, Ruckspin, Breakage and many more
All of them are coming from d&b if am not wrong

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:40 pm

BunZer0 wrote:the fact u like or not a tune shouldn't be linked the producer background that's all i mean
the generic stuff is also made by big dubstep names...
just avoid generalities
big dubstep tunes have been made by guys like Tes La Rok, Martyn, Trg, Dj Madd, Matt U, 501, Ruckspin, Breakage and many more
All of them are coming from d&b if am not wrong

Yeah, and those names all get nuff respect for their stuff.

So how are people's responses to the tunes being linked to the producer's background?

I'd suggest that the key difference is that Martyn, Tes, TRG and so on are making interesting, individual sounding tunes that push the scene forwards...

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:42 pm

Slothrop wrote:
BunZer0 wrote:the fact u like or not a tune shouldn't be linked the producer background that's all i mean
the generic stuff is also made by big dubstep names...
just avoid generalities
big dubstep tunes have been made by guys like Tes La Rok, Martyn, Trg, Dj Madd, Matt U, 501, Ruckspin, Breakage and many more
All of them are coming from d&b if am not wrong
Yeah, and those names all get nuff respect for their stuff.

So how are people's responses to the tunes being linked to the producer's background?

I'd suggest that the key difference is that Martyn, Tes, TRG and so on are making interesting, individual sounding tunes that push the scene forwards...

BunZer0 wrote:digging cold crysis

that's from my side

stenchman · Post by **stenchman** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:55 pm

ThinKing wrote:
wobbler. wrote:It's great to see dnb artists such as Chase & Status, Benny Page, BSE etc all producing dubstep now!
is it??

elitist bastards!!! !

hahahahahahah

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