the futility of debate

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:41 pm

black lotus wrote:
Parson wrote:the world is flat is a better argument for my side than anybody who doesn't believe me. (clinging to old-world perspective)

the world ain't round, the world has 10 dimensions of space, and 1 of time
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY
yes, anyone with a passing interest in string theory or quantum has seen that video. but whatever you like.. your argument is rock solid, clearly.

also, space is curved a.k.a. tube torus. so it is round(ed) as far as well can tell. i like michio kaku's explanations best.

also, slaughterhouse five lolz

back to what i said about a system of presuppositions being reinforced that must be present in order for debate to not break down into noise immediately.

also that is a special version of the video that is annotated and has clickable links.

blizzardmusic · Post by **blizzardmusic** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:41 pm

This thread needs to be read

*goes to first page*

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:42 pm

it is just a pissing contest for egomaniacs, bliz.

blizzardmusic · Post by **blizzardmusic** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:45 pm

Parson wrote:it is just a pissing contest for egomaniacs, bliz.

Seems very interesting though.

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:47 pm

Parson wrote:it is just a pissing contest for egomaniacs, bliz.

QFT, since post #1

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:54 pm

one more point

since a system of presuppositions must be present in order for a debate to happen without immediately breaking down into noise, debates are inherently incapable of finding truth because they are necessarily rooted in mistruth (system of presuppostions).

therefore, debate serves no function but to sustain mistruth while simultaneously pacifying the human desire to discover truth.

elbe · Post by **elbe** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:58 pm

again that really depends upon what truth you are talking about, there are many truths held by many people, some of which aren't fact.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:59 pm

like if we were going to debate about what will make the american economy grow

wait a minute

do we want the american economy to grow?

the american economy is one of the most destructive forces on a dying planet.

by even discussing economic growth you're helping sustain the systematic destruction of the planet.

the very existence of a debate is promotion of an agenda.

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:15 pm

Parson wrote:like if we were going to debate about what will make the american economy grow

wait a minute

do we want the american economy to grow?

the american economy is one of the most destructive forces on a dying planet.

by even discussing economic growth you're helping sustain the systematic destruction of the planet.

the very existence of a debate is promotion of an agenda.

yes but so is talking about it and posting about it's futility, which is an agenda in and of itself.

cheers for self-reference!

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:17 pm

my agenda is to address the inherent promotion of agenda that the very of existence of debate subversively maintains.

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:33 pm

Parson wrote:my agenda is to address the inherent promotion of agenda that the very of existence of debate subversively maintains.

so basically you are meta-debating

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:36 pm

i'm using debate as a mindfake. it drew everybody right to my point.

bellybelle · Post by **bellybelle** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:43 pm

Parson wrote:dude even einstein believed in time travel

so does stephen hawking. i asked him in a few emails and asked for references to why he thinks that...

yes. i am a geek.

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:47 pm

Parson wrote:i'm using debate as a mindfake. it drew everybody right to my point.

lol that feels a bit tacked on..

or tachyon, whichever

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:48 pm

i was never debating though. i was just making a point.

__________ · Post by **__________** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:49 pm

Parson wrote:my agenda is to address the inherent promotion of agenda that the very of existence of debate subversively maintains.

ever considered politics?

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:50 pm

everything is politics.

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:50 pm

Whether to cross lace or straight lace new trainers is politics.

__________ · Post by **__________** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:56 pm

Parson wrote:everything is politics.

if i farted too heavily and shat my pants, would that be considered politics?

mum says i should get into politics, if what you say is true, i could tell her i'm already involved

purely out of interest...

black lotus · Post by **black lotus** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:59 pm

bellybelle wrote:
Parson wrote:dude even einstein believed in time travel
so does stephen hawking. i asked him in a few emails and asked for references to why he thinks that...

yes. i am a geek.

too bad he ended up being wrong about some things..

http://www.space.com/news/hawking_bet_040716.html

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