As of 2007, no smoking in UK clubs...

[jim beats]

4. if a club employee quits because they don't like the smoke, they'll have no income. Someone somewhere will not have the option to quit because they can't afford to - do you think it's acceptable that someone has to work in a smoky pub just because they can't afford to leave?

well maybe they should have never gotten a job there in the first place. i dont think thats the ONLY job they could do.

That's not an argument. Go and find out why the trade union movement started, then come back with a better one.

well i'm really a big fan of unions either. I dont think employees should be able to force their employers to change such insignifcant things. You need to come up with something better than "That's not an argument."
and what about everything else I said? You got nothing to say to that?

No, I haven't - as far as I'm concerned, this debate ended some time ago....

PS - on the subject of trade unions, the Declaration of Human Rights says it all. Article 23 part 4, apparently. If you don't like them, try getting a job in one of the countries where they're illegal....

[jim beats]

smoking will still be allowed in most clubs. We're basically talking about pubs and restaurants here (the thread title is wrong).

No it won't.

I was under the impression there was a loophole that meant most clubs would be able to allow smoking... But maybe not. I certainly won't be complaining....

ur not even on britain though..dissaffected?

Well I'm British and I'm pretty sure I'll be moving back in a few years. And there's going to be a referendum on the subject in Geneva (where I live) in July - the opinion polls are suggesting there will be a big majority in favour of a ban.....

[thc]

No, I haven't - as far as I'm concerned, this debate ended some time ago....

so if you say it's over, it's over, eh? i guess you dont have anything to say.

[doomstep]

we can clearly see here on the forum the damage done by what u call 'passive' dubstep ...

TRUSS.

[hate recordings]

gonna open this bitch back up.

now, i sure didnt read this thread. it got fucking annoying on the first page.

but i do wanna know about dj's who smoke. damn near every dj i see smokes while mixing records. there are PLENTY of dj's who dont smoke. there's no debate about that.

but what about the dj's who do? i see dj's chain smoke like a motherfucker when they spin out at clubs here in the states from all genres. i know i do. that shit will probally fuck up alot of dj's concentration if they start having nicotine withdrawl while playing.

sucks.

[felis]

Trust me. It's not that bad. Here in California, it's been illegal to smoke in clubs for years and years. You get used to it, and truth be told, I enjoy stepping out to suck a smoke down. Gives you a bit of a break, you can actually hear the person you;re talking to, etc...

I guess Cali doesn't get quite as cold as London, but still...

- a venue in leicester is trying it (demontford hall) , we went up to see mr scruff (not really my cup of tea but something to do on a friday night) , there was the main dancefloor area which was empty and a smoking / bar area with no music which was rammed out and VERY smokey , i don't smoke tobacco but i would rather people could do what they want as far as smoking is concerned in venues (not at the bar though) , rather than segregate people (and it's harder to blaze a zoot) , we all know smoking kills etccc , why not sort out air conditioning in venues .


www.myspace.com/felisuk
www.myspace.com/kontaktdubstep
http://groups.myspace.com/midlandsdubstep

[Whistla]

gonna open this bitch back up.

now, i sure didnt read this thread. it got fucking annoying on the first page.

but i do wanna know about dj's who smoke. damn near every dj i see smokes while mixing records. there are PLENTY of dj's who dont smoke. there's no debate about that.

but what about the dj's who do? i see dj's chain smoke like a motherfucker when they spin out at clubs here in the states from all genres. i know i do. that shit will probally fuck up alot of dj's concentration if they start having nicotine withdrawl while playing.

sucks.

yes - i agree the thread degenrated into a debate about fascism in that page which stopped me reading the rest and i am starting from your post quoted above as my jump off point into this.

yes - i smoke, lots if truth be told, and i wud suffer withdrawal in a major way within 20/30 mins of gettin on the decks/in the venue.

yes - this sucks

yes - my government are c**ts (imo).

yes - democracy is fundamentally flawed and the fact that we suffer from domination by the majority is disgusting, imo.

yes - i have concerns that i will end up spending most nights-out literally OUTSIDE cos i want to smoke, either weed or tobacco.

a question i have for the "decision-makers" is this - yes i kno tobacco kills. so does alcohol. why then is alcohol not being restricted in this draconian way? i mean honestly how often do you go out and see someone smoke a cig (or a spliff) then wanna go on a punch up spree? but every night of the week people are gettin drunk mashing each other up. if prohibition (which imo banning any drugs is) is where we are headin y not hit something that destroys families, causes crime, and wastes the "oh so important" thing in this world, money? (or maybe they will next? drinkers watch out!)

[pk-]

if prohibition (which imo banning any drugs is) is where we are headin

it's almost 99% certainly not

why ban something when you can tax the fuck out of it

[numaestro]

What a load of bollox - dont believe the passive smoking hype. Like a bit of inhaled smoke is totally fatal. When was that reaally proved? Why did the who quash reports that suggested there was no real evidence. Next we're be back tinking the world is flat. Whats the point of preserving life forever if you dire of boredom in the process. Next step will be : ban chocalte cakes, ban adventure sports, ban booze, ban sex

[numaestro]

Oh yeah - forget to mention. In Spain peeps drink more and smoke more than most European and first world countries. FACT. Ban uptight control freak anglo-saxon puritan killjoys - work less enjoy more. End of rant

[pk-]

Whats the point of preserving life forever if you dire of boredom in the process.

i suppose to avoid drowning to death in your own sputum in a foul-smelling hospital wing somewhere

When was that reaally proved?

that's what gets me about it. it probably isn't great for people to inhale smoke, but if i'm going to be told by the government that what i'm doing is killing people and that have to go stand out in the cold to carry on doing it, i want some fucking proof

[misskatiemo]

you can still smoke in clubs/bars where I live, but visiting Dublin and Cali and NY - where it's been banned for quiet a while, I do have to say that it's LOVELY to come out of a bar or a club and NOT smell like an ashtray.

[hate recordings]

it's LOVELY to come out of a bar or a club and NOT smell like an ashtray.

eh, a bar i can understand.

but if you come out of a club not smelling like a locker room at the end of the day, then you arent really having fun at clubs ;o) you go to clubs, you smell all fucked up regardless, the smell of cigarettes isnt going to hurt when you already have to take a shower and clean your clothes.

rinse it out! rinse it out!

[sek [espionage]]

you get used to it...

[numaestro]

if prohibition (which imo banning any drugs is) is where we are headin

it's almost 99% certainly not

why ban something when you can tax the fuck out of it

Yeah. Does anyone here know the answer to this ...

Smokers die young. Regular smokers die 10 years younger it seems. AveraGE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS ABOUT 72 I think. So, smokers pay taxes but then die before they get a pension - or they only get a pension for a year or two. Tobacco is heavily taxed too. So you'd think it wouldnt make sense economically.

Curiously enuff peeps in spain smoke way more than the uk but they live longer! So fight this ban and eat better - all about the liquid gold

[misskatiemo]

it's LOVELY to come out of a bar or a club and NOT smell like an ashtray.

eh, a bar i can understand.

but if you come out of a club not smelling like a locker room at the end of the day, then you arent really having fun at clubs ;o) you go to clubs, you smell all fucked up regardless, the smell of cigarettes isnt going to hurt when you already have to take a shower and clean your clothes.

rinse it out! rinse it out!

But I'm a lady and even when I spend the night dancing about n stuff I still don't smell like an ashtray, a bit less freshly showered, yes - ashtray - no. I just hate it when I throw my clothes in to do laundry or in the hamper and then if I go out 2 nights in a row my entire closet smells mildly of smoke becuase of the stench of the clothes, eeewwwwww. Ordinarily i don't mind cig smoke - but the cig smoke from bars n clubs just congregates and gets mixed up with the must and forms some sort of super-smoke it seems - teh gross!

[Whistla]

Q - Why is it so smokey in clubs?
A - Because people want to smoke in them

[boylah]

No problems with that kind of stuff here in Serbia, because we are far away from full democracy...

Infact, we have here tobacco companies who organize major house/techno/electro/breakbeat parties. Entrance is free of charge! Last year Philip Morris invested 2 milion euros in their Marlboro party. Entrance was free of charge. There was about 15.000 people at that party. This year Marlboro party will be in September and will invest even more. Also there was alot of small gigs during the year... I remember going to Evil Nine. It was a blast and entrance was free of charge. After I got home I found out on Internet that the next day they are performing at some club in London and that the entrance fee will be 40 pounds. I saved myself 40 pounds! LOL

[numaestro]

it's LOVELY to come out of a bar or a club and NOT smell like an ashtray.

eh, a bar i can understand.

but if you come out of a club not smelling like a locker room at the end of the day, then you arent really having fun at clubs ;o) you go to clubs, you smell all fucked up regardless, the smell of cigarettes isnt going to hurt when you already have to take a shower and clean your clothes.

rinse it out! rinse it out!

But I'm a lady and even when I spend the night dancing about n stuff I still don't smell like an ashtray, a bit less freshly showered, yes - ashtray - no. I just hate it when I throw my clothes in to do laundry or in the hamper and then if I go out 2 nights in a row my entire closet smells mildly of smoke becuase of the stench of the clothes, eeewwwwww. Ordinarily i don't mind cig smoke - but the cig smoke from bars n clubs just congregates and gets mixed up with the must and forms some sort of super-smoke it seems - teh gross!

Life's tuff when youre a lady sometimes! But if you ever visit down here I'd be more and delighted to wash your hair

[misskatiemo]

it's LOVELY to come out of a bar or a club and NOT smell like an ashtray.

eh, a bar i can understand.

but if you come out of a club not smelling like a locker room at the end of the day, then you arent really having fun at clubs ;o) you go to clubs, you smell all fucked up regardless, the smell of cigarettes isnt going to hurt when you already have to take a shower and clean your clothes.

rinse it out! rinse it out!

But I'm a lady and even when I spend the night dancing about n stuff I still don't smell like an ashtray, a bit less freshly showered, yes - ashtray - no. I just hate it when I throw my clothes in to do laundry or in the hamper and then if I go out 2 nights in a row my entire closet smells mildly of smoke becuase of the stench of the clothes, eeewwwwww. Ordinarily i don't mind cig smoke - but the cig smoke from bars n clubs just congregates and gets mixed up with the must and forms some sort of super-smoke it seems - teh gross!

Life's tuff when youre a lady sometimes! But if you ever visit down here I'd be more and delighted to wash your hair

nice one mate!