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sumone · Post by **sumone** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:40 pm

maybe its the influence that came from the first Tempa on.

Hint Turn-U-On Productions Hint

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easeup · Post by **easeup** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:18 pm

fackin hell sumone get you.. i had completely forgotten they ran that label!
clever play on the label name shame nothin much came from it tho, only 1 release wasnt it?

amen-ra · Post by **amen-ra** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:21 pm

The mixdown obssession can stifle creativity if it's the prime objective of the producer but I think peeps like Loefah and SLT MOB etc are too musically minded to let that be the main motivation for them.

The mixdown is definitely part of the equation but not a major part of it (maybe 15-20%- if that). The most major part of it iz the meditation that comes before it. In fact the meditation iz what's needed to give your tune the right mixdown!!

But yea I agree, that form of thinkin can lead to dead ends.

The vibes must come first, refinement comes after. Gotta get the hierarchy right. I think the right way to make music iz written in nature or the stars, whatever u wanna call it. "As Above So Below".

This is actually deeply connected to another post on here- u gotta question the "why" of what you're doing and then understnd the consequences of that "why". Seems like peeps dont even know the why let alone the consequences of that "why".

It's all about foresight not hype

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:53 pm

i wouldnt worry mate ,'ruf beats ' 'horror show' 'root' 'goat stare' to anme a few,doesnt seem like there s any problem to me.
drum n bass has always suckled cock iin my opinion and was therefore always gonna flop ,slower tempo jus kills it ,much more space .

dudeski · Post by **dudeski** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:48 pm

so u think the '95 metalheadz producers weren't trying to get the cleanest mixdown, the moodiest atmospherics etc. ?

loefah was talking about striking a balance between mixdown n musicality, which is really a good thing imo...
when people start emphasising on mixdown too much things can go wrong idd, but i don't see it happening to dubstep too easily

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:56 pm

Dudeski wrote:so u think the '95 metalheadz producers weren't trying to get the cleanest mixdown, the moodiest atmospherics etc. ?

loefah was talking about striking a balance between mixdown n musicality, which is really a good thing imo...
when people start emphasising on mixdown too much things can go wrong idd, but i don't see it happening to dubstep too easily

BRAP!!

conspira · Post by **conspira** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:59 pm

EaseUp wrote:fackin hell sumone get you.. i had completely forgotten they ran that label!
clever play on the label name shame nothin much came from it tho, only 1 release wasnt it?

2 releases:
TNU 001 - Horsepower Productions - One U Need (12")
A - One U Need
B - Giving Up On Love
TNU 002 - Horsepower Productions - Electro Bass (12")
A - Electro Bass
B - Electro Bass (Dub)

Peace

easeup · Post by **easeup** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:21 pm

Conspira wrote: 2 releases:
TNU 001 - Horsepower Productions - One U Need (12")
A - One U Need
B - Giving Up On Love
TNU 002 - Horsepower Productions - Electro Bass (12")
A - Electro Bass
B - Electro Bass (Dub)

Peace

safe bro

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:45 pm

Conspira wrote:
EaseUp wrote:fackin hell sumone get you.. i had completely forgotten they ran that label!
clever play on the label name shame nothin much came from it tho, only 1 release wasnt it?
2 releases:
TNU 001 - Horsepower Productions - One U Need (12")
A - One U Need
B - Giving Up On Love
TNU 002 - Horsepower Productions - Electro Bass (12")
A - Electro Bass
B - Electro Bass (Dub)

Peace

I looked for these a couple of years back, but never found them ... anyone got any audio?

distinction · Post by **distinction** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:12 pm

Personally, I see mixing down and composition as two seperate aspects of production. Which may seem an obvious thing but I dont think, "right this melody sounds weak I think I will add loads of effects to it to make it sound better", I will just re-write it until Im happy with it then make it blend and sound better with effects.

Also I think Loefah was just stating he is aiming to get better and better and is continuely striving to achieve this. Not neccessarily saying he doesn't spend time on composition and focuses more on mix downs. Mixdowns are an essential part of music. Even if a tune has an amazing bass melody which is electric, if its mix down is shite then its not going to do itself any justice when played on a 10K rig. However a simple bass melody (one note bassline) that is mixed down perfectly will no doubt cause havoc on a 10K rig.

conspira · Post by **conspira** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:49 pm

elemental wrote:
Conspira wrote:
EaseUp wrote:fackin hell sumone get you.. i had completely forgotten they ran that label!
clever play on the label name shame nothin much came from it tho, only 1 release wasnt it?
2 releases:
TNU 001 - Horsepower Productions - One U Need (12")
A - One U Need
B - Giving Up On Love
TNU 002 - Horsepower Productions - Electro Bass (12")
A - Electro Bass
B - Electro Bass (Dub)

Peace
I looked for these a couple of years back, but never found them ... anyone got any audio?

I have the 2 of them, got them a couple years back from HardToFindRecords.
Gonna record some clips and I will post them here.
Peace

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:37 am

knifedreams · Post by **knifedreams** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:20 am

i've always been a big fan of tunes with imperfect mixdowns, i'd say that's why i worship all of the no u-turn stuff. it's all about just learning when to fucking quit dicking around with a mixdown and just move on to something else. a true artist knows when to let something go, or else you end up like george lucas.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:48 am

you can't polish a greasy turd...

...but you can mould into something that doesn't resemble shit

chances are it'll still stink though...

...then again you can take a diamond and rub shit all over it and it'll stink too

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:47 pm

knifedreams wrote:i've always been a big fan of tunes with imperfect mixdowns, i'd say that's why i worship all of the no u-turn stuff. it's all about just learning when to fucking quit dicking around with a mixdown and just move on to something else. a true artist knows when to let something go, or else you end up like george lucas.

I agree with you, but it seems like part of being a producer involves being a bit of a perfectionist. At least, this is a trait common to most producers I know personally. That's not to say that one should obsess over a mixdown to a point of paralysis, but keen attention to details that would seem minute to the average listeners, imo, is what seperates the average producers from the really great ones.

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:49 am

Conspira wrote:
EaseUp wrote:fackin hell sumone get you.. i had completely forgotten they ran that label!
clever play on the label name shame nothin much came from it tho, only 1 release wasnt it?
2 releases:
TNU 001 - Horsepower Productions - One U Need (12")
A - One U Need
B - Giving Up On Love
TNU 002 - Horsepower Productions - Electro Bass (12")
A - Electro Bass
B - Electro Bass (Dub)

Peace

these are the tunes that first got me into what i now now as dubstep.
i love NO-U-TuRN still (though everyone biting the sound they brought
led to the dead end!)
played "givin up on love" out tha other night and it were proper!

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:38 am

well, the only thing that has really skured me is vex'd remix of "knowledge". it had that vibe of some o dem remixes from the d&b continuum. it added nothing valuable to the existing trak and some key fully missed the vibe. truss me i like vex'd, i just hope this is not a trend that will continue (like when all the meatheads started making drum and bass).

plankton · Post by **plankton** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:19 pm

I was JUST yesterday listening to the recent Paul Rose mix from Hotflush and thinking "goddamn if this doesn't sound like a slowed-down No-U-Turn record."

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