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turfa · Post by **turfa** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:28 pm

not quite production, but i assume this is the best place for me to find answers.

not used serato yet, will probably be using it this weeekend, but im wondering if theres any similar products i can look into?

preferably cheaper, or the same price with better features?

just tryna have a look at otehr products b4 i jump on the serato bandwagon

sinic · Post by **sinic** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:38 pm

Numark Virtual Vinyl will probably be cheaper/cheapest

or Torq maybe

zeno · Post by **zeno** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:37 am

<3 serato

also

<3 vinyl. But that dub cutter is just too damn expensive.

chrish · Post by **chrish** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:49 am

I use Torq & love it

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:31 am

Not to steal your topic but I am looking Torq - Its considerable cheaper but does this show? Ive used serato twice, once clueless of what was happening, 2nd time I knew what I was doing but was still clueless haha.. But I see how it works and with a bit of practice I can see me using it instead of playing vinyl well, 'real' vinyl.

chrish · Post by **chrish** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:42 am

Torq works great, haven't had any issues at all & have used it every day for the last 3 months. Now that Torq supports 45 RPM vinyl I see no reason not to buy it over Serato. Torq also supports effects plugins - the others don't.......

Ms Pinky's developed the Torq time coded records; this explains how the system works pretty effectively:

http://mspinky.com/WreckedSystem_RecordSignal.html

HTH

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:43 am

ChrisH wrote:Torq works great, haven't had any issues at all & have used it every day for the last 3 months. Now that Torq supports 45 RPM vinyl I see no reason not to buy it over Serato. Torq also supports effects plugins - the others don't.......

Ms Pinky's developed the Torq time coded records; this explains how the system works pretty effectively:

http://mspinky.com/WreckedSystem_RecordSignal.html

HTH

.

Safe mate i'll look into it!

subindex · Post by **subindex** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:24 am

ye im gettin torq in a couple of weeks

SHAFEY · Post by **SHAFEY** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:12 pm

I would go with Serato.

I've found it to be a little more stable and have a slightly cleaner audio output. I also much prefer the software interface and the soundwave colours

AND the Serato hardware box feels like its been built properly, not like the plastic fisher price style Torq box!

Make sure the laptop your gonna use with either isn't full of shit as well!

edjrussell · Post by **edjrussell** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:33 pm

I've got Serato and it's an absolute beast. Build solidly and really stable. never had any problems with it. I would splash at the extra cash and go for this if i was you

linedamage · Post by **linedamage** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:03 pm

I'd hold off on buying anything for a couple of months mate. Word on the net is Ableton and Serato are teaming up and bringing out something new in the near future

kidlogic · Post by **kidlogic** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:23 pm

that ableton serato colab is more than likely going to be some sort of plug for ableton, so i wouldnt let that keep you from buying it

serato is the standard in the game, but all of them work pretty much the same... you can download the software for free, but need the box to make it work. so you can get Torq for home and have Serato for when you play out...

personally, i like the serato prog better, but it is a matter of preference

Torq has a few features i wish Serato had, like a built in sampler and plug-in support, but Serato has some dope shit and Ive never had it crash, ever

i have a few friends with Torq though who swear by it though, have never had problems and love the program

I wouldnt get the Numark or Stanton products though, i havent heard enough about either of them yet either way, and their other dj products can be hit or miss

check out their respective forums to help with the decision

www.scratchlive.net

www.torq.com

big ben · Post by **big ben** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:34 pm

I'm going to go with the Kid on this one.

neka · Post by **neka** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:41 am

I use Torq but hate the file browsing feature on it, I'm left with about 1.5 lines of text to browse my entire library fuck that. Prefer Deckadance as an interface but it's a bit glitchy with my setup for some reason

Buy some ms pinky vinyl, especially the splatter matter plates

manray · Post by **manray** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:01 am

Torq is less than half the price of Serato.

What kind of performance difference is there? Any latency problems or whatever?

kidlogic · Post by **kidlogic** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:12 pm

manray wrote:Torq is less than half the price of Serato.

What kind of performance difference is there? Any latency problems or whatever?

The few times Ive used it, I could 'feel' a difference, but couldnt quite place exactly what it was... may have been a slight latency issue, or may have been mental as Im used to Serato.

The main gripes Ive heard about Torq are the interface (knobs instead of switches for going between phono and line), the browser being too small, and that you need a comparitively faster CPU speed than with Serato. I have also heard of compatibility issues when Apple first made the switch to the Intel chips (although I believe that has been solved) and now compatibility issues with Vista (which I do not know if they have been solved yet or not).

Pros of Torq over Serato are feature wise and price wise... Torq has VST/AU support, rewire capabilities and a built in drop sampler amongst other things. Oh, the interface can be used as a stand alone audio interface as well (the reason for the knobs and not switches on the box).

My arguements for Serato are a bit one sided, as I have only used it extensively, but I have NEVER had it crash, ever, in 2+ years of use and the scratch emulation / pitch correction aka key lock sound great and the latency is non-existant. The only problems I have ever had with Serato have been due to equipment problems at the club - i.e. messed up turntables, mixers, needles, etc. I have also transported my Serato box across the country twice, and plugged and unplugged it probably close to 100 times by now and that thing is just as solid now as it was the day I bought it. Also, the support is top notch - ask a question in their forum and it is usually answered in minutes, most of the time by someone who works for the company. I honestly dont have a single complaint about this product even after two plus years of solid use.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:08 pm

I use Torq. I like it. I can't justify spending the extra 200+ for Serato. I am skint and I can think of a few things I need for around 2 bills. I have used Serato, I wasn't really impressed with the software tbh. It does the trick and is standard if that really means anything. There isn't any place I play that already has it set up and I don't see other dj's offering to let me use their box so I gotta bring Torq with me anyway. I do hear a lot of people talk about the connective being fisher price esque. Yeah that is what it looks like but it is solid. It's not fragile or anything. I have had mine for 2 years and it still looks brand new. My biggest bitch with Torq was that the vinyls are 33rpm only but now you can get the 45 vinyls off of the ms pinky site. 1.5 was supposed to come out like a year ago and still isn't out as far as I know but the lastest version is stable. It's up to you. Traktor Scratch looks pretty cool too but there again they rape you on the price tag. There is another thread on Torq in here if you search. Read it if you are thinking about getting it.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:12 pm

kidlogic wrote:
manray wrote:Torq is less than half the price of Serato.

What kind of performance difference is there? Any latency problems or whatever?
The few times Ive used it, I could 'feel' a difference, but couldnt quite place exactly what it was... may have been a slight latency issue, or may have been mental as Im used to Serato.

The main gripes Ive heard about Torq are the interface (knobs instead of switches for going between phono and line), the browser being too small, and that you need a comparitively faster CPU speed than with Serato. I have also heard of compatibility issues when Apple first made the switch to the Intel chips (although I believe that has been solved) and now compatibility issues with Vista (which I do not know if they have been solved yet or not).

Pros of Torq over Serato are feature wise and price wise... Torq has VST/AU support, rewire capabilities and a built in drop sampler amongst other things. Oh, the interface can be used as a stand alone audio interface as well (the reason for the knobs and not switches on the box).

My arguements for Serato are a bit one sided, as I have only used it extensively, but I have NEVER had it crash, ever, in 2+ years of use and the scratch emulation / pitch correction aka key lock sound great and the latency is non-existant. The only problems I have ever had with Serato have been due to equipment problems at the club - i.e. messed up turntables, mixers, needles, etc. I have also transported my Serato box across the country twice, and plugged and unplugged it probably close to 100 times by now and that thing is just as solid now as it was the day I bought it. Also, the support is top notch - ask a question in their forum and it is usually answered in minutes, most of the time by someone who works for the company. I honestly dont have a single complaint about this product even after two plus years of solid use.

I use it with Vista, works fine. If you have a multi-core proc it will only use one core, that is prolly why it needs a faster computer maybe. Runs fine on my dual-core lappy. Might run even better on an older solo core comp as long as it has sufficient memory. Not sure about that tho.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:31 pm

ChrisH wrote:I use Torq & love it

same

was buggy at first, but with the new updates everything is smooth as butter

I have way too many bills to pay and I couldn't justify buying anything more expensive

I'd like to have a pretty little box like traktor has, but function over fashion

chrish · Post by **chrish** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:01 pm

I run a MacBook (Intel) and Torq works well. IMO this decision is all about preferences, there isn't a clear stand out here like in the world of decks where Technics is king. For me Torq makes sense, it's cheaper, it's been rock solid outside of hardware issues (bad needle connections, bunk RCA's, etc) and the interface integrates with my iTunes playlists perfectly.

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