Is Shackleton

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:38 pm

more of a big producer for those who are into techno/other types of music primarily than those who are mainly into dubstep?

Reading Resident Advisor/Fact etc. you constantly see Shackleton hailed as the best dubstep producer, but on people's lists on here of their favourite producers/tunes, his name doesn't really come up that often.

Is this a consequence of him making more techno type stuff nowadays? Do people even see him as a dubstep producer?

[It goes without saying that he's a fucking great producer]

adam_misst · Post by **adam_misst** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:41 pm

I rekon your right, alot of people see him as more of a techno producer nowdays...
I also think a lot of people havnt listened to his tunes on the right speakers, hence not liking him that much...you need to listen to his tunes through big, high quality speakers to truly hear all the intricate detail...

prisoner · Post by **prisoner** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:52 pm

i think more techno djs in my town know who he is vs the guys playing dubstep now...

the further dubstep gets away from it's roots, the less likely people are going to understand music like shackleton's earlier work.

i would imagine anyone who's gotten on the train over the last year probably would categorize his music as 'dubstep,' but then again im pretty sure shackleton doesn't either.

so maybe it doesn't really matter all that much.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:10 pm

I think the excuse that you need a massive sound system to get into someone's tunes is shit. I love his tunes sitting and listening on my Ipod more than on a huge system. I don't wanna hear that shit at a club most of the time, unless mixed on a third deck or something.

If something doesn't sound good to you on a small computer system with a small subwoofer, it's not going to SOUND any better on a bigger system. Go stand in front of a fan and listen to Shackleton tunes if you really care that much about some wind blowing around in the air

But yea, badman producer. I don't understand the controversy really. I go to parties to dance and his tunes make me want to chill out more than generally get buck, which is what I am into at the club.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:20 pm

prisoner wrote:but then again im pretty sure shackleton doesn't either.

so maybe it doesn't really matter all that much.

Yeah was thinking this, I doubt he gives a fuck.

Surface Tension, I dunno about that. Hearing Death Is Not Final on a big system really opened my eyes to it, it sounded almost like a different tune.

time · Post by **time** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:34 pm

Surface_Tension wrote: If something doesn't sound good to you on a small computer system with a small subwoofer, it's not going to SOUND any better on a bigger system.

nah not true. alot of tunes are designed for a big rig.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:40 pm

TIME wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote: If something doesn't sound good to you on a small computer system with a small subwoofer, it's not going to SOUND any better on a bigger system.
nah not true. alot of tunes are designed for a big rig.

Then don't be too surprised when they don't sell very well. 99% of the time when I am listening to music, it is at home. Doesn't seem like a very good marketing strategy to me. Like I said, a lot of the tunes that people claim you need to listen to on a good system or they are shit, I like on a decent pair of headphones. They are easily amused by feeling bass and don't rate the actual intricacy of the production enough to like it on a pair of headphones.

Tunes that are a bassline and no snare, with an occasional hihat make me very sad.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:43 pm

Surface_Tension wrote: They are easily amused by feeling bass and don't rate the actual intricacy of the production enough to like it on a pair of headphones.

Tunes that are a bassline and no snare, with an occasional hihat make me very sad.

Surely feeling the bass is a huge part of appreciating dubstep, though?

And what you say about people not appreciating intricacy applies just as much to the jump up wobble 'get buck' music as it does to tunes with just a bassline and a hi hat (if those tunes even exist!)

dubsteptim · Post by **dubsteptim** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:10 pm

i like shackleton's stuff and have most of his releases. then again i also like alot of minimal techno and a lot of the techno influenced dubstep as well. my fav thing about dubstep tho is the wide range of sounds it has & what different producers take on the whole 138-142bpm range is and what sounds they come up with

d+ · Post by d+ » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:15 pm

best producer in the uk full stop

(yes better than rusko/16bitboy)

bassbeyondreason · Post by **bassbeyondreason** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:30 pm

His recent stuff might not be very dancefloor-friendly, but Naked and Hypno Angel send me into a voodoo skanking frenzy. Nothing makes me wanna dance more than something I have no fucking clue how to dance to.

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:32 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:
TIME wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote: If something doesn't sound good to you on a small computer system with a small subwoofer, it's not going to SOUND any better on a bigger system.
nah not true. alot of tunes are designed for a big rig.
Then don't be too surprised when they don't sell very well. 99% of the time when I am listening to music, it is at home. Doesn't seem like a very good marketing strategy to me. Like I said, a lot of the tunes that people claim you need to listen to on a good system or they are shit, I like on a decent pair of headphones. They are easily amused by feeling bass and don't rate the actual intricacy of the production enough to like it on a pair of headphones.

Tunes that are a bassline and no snare, with an occasional hihat make me very sad.

I agree.Why do you think there is mastering?The music needs to sound JUST AS good on a small home system as it does on a huge soundsystem.

djdowee · Post by **djdowee** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:42 pm

....@ Matter (Main Room) on the 20th December

Hell yes!

rob_booth · Post by **rob_booth** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:49 pm

Corpsey wrote:more of a big producer for those who are into techno/other types of music primarily than those who are mainly into dubstep?

Reading Resident Advisor/Fact etc. you constantly see Shackleton hailed as the best dubstep producer, but on people's lists on here of their favourite producers/tunes, his name doesn't really come up that often.

Is this a consequence of him making more techno type stuff nowadays? Do people even see him as a dubstep producer?

[It goes without saying that he's a fucking great producer]

Shackleton to me is the contemporary Paul Daley and Neil Barnes.

'percussion master'

resolved · Post by **resolved** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:32 pm

i hope vengeance tenfold quietly disappears...

prisoner · Post by **prisoner** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:48 pm

lol @ saying shack's tunes are basslines without snares....

man has twice as much percusive work then 90% of tunes out there.

i mean in comparison to the percusion on like casapa's 'floor dem' if you removed the bassline no one would even bother listening, but with shack's stuff there's still tons of interesting stuff going on w/o the bassline. hell, his basslines are rather simple in comparison to the rest of the elements in his tunes.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:18 pm

prisoner wrote:lol @ saying shack's tunes are basslines without snares....

man has twice as much percusive work then 90% of tunes out there.

i mean in comparison to the percusion on like casapa's 'floor dem' if you removed the bassline no one would even bother listening, but with shack's stuff there's still tons of interesting stuff going on w/o the bassline. hell, his basslines are rather simple in comparison to the rest of the elements in his tunes.

I agree, I never said his tunes lacked a snare, just that I'd rather hear them in the comfort of my home and hear something a big more lively in the club. That doesn't mean I favor Caspa and/or Rusko, or don't favor them either, just that I'd rather have something a bit more up.

staypuft · Post by **staypuft** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:23 pm

shackleton's newer stuff is more compositional and less dancey, while most folk these days think of dubstep as dance music imo.

re: surface tension, there's probably a big regional difference in people's understanding of dubstep. it makes sense for londoners to think of it as bass-centric, while smaller stateside cities will value home listenability.

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:47 pm

Basically I want to hug shackleton.

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:50 pm

Also, hearing tunes on a big rig is definitely very different. Not that they aren't still good, or bad.

It really does change the tune. Some tunes literally arent designed for headphones.

No, really.

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