Unreleased Dubs/VIPs aka the art of hoarding

dubz · Post by **dubz** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:39 am

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Just been reflecting on the state of dubstep and I reckon that virtually all the sick tunes take much longer than other genres to be released. This made me think that many dubstep producers are compulsive hoarders of their music. Cmmon be a champ and release the shit while it's still hot...sharing is caring! I don't give a fuck - I buy it, but I'm sick of hearing others dropping it, the time I buy it - it's stale.mad weak.

/end rant

ST100 · Post by **ST100** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:17 am

agree'd.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:36 am

Co-signed.

netics · Post by **netics** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:54 am

i agree with this a lot. road rage on DMZ014 is a recent example of dubplate culture just taking the piss. i think the hoarding is just insulting to the fandom / aspiring dj's / producers who end up having a tune killed on them just because they ain't famous.

netics · Post by **netics** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:07 am

o and before all you high and mighty people on here start taking a pop at the topic starter for their first post being a moan just remember that theres a lot of truth in whats being said.

also i'm not saying every producer should give out any dub to anyone before an official release but just keep in mind that everyone starts low down and you shouldn't write off people who ain't skream, n-type, youngsta etc...

imo the hoarding and the dubplate culture implies a tunes released more for the fandoms money that respect.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:10 am

jasonn wrote:o and before all you high and mighty people on here start taking a pop at the topic starter for their first post being a moan just remember that theres a lot of truth in whats being said.

also i'm not saying every producer should give out any dub to anyone before an official release but just keep in mind that everyone starts low down and you shouldn't write off people who ain't skream, n-type, youngsta etc...

imo the hoarding and the dubplate culture implies a tunes more about the fandoms money that their respect.

We send our tunes to people with radio shows, generally, or the taste makers. On the usual tip, unless they write reviews or something like that, they can listen on our myspace or in one of the mixes we post. HOWEVER, I don't think playing a tune out 8 months before it drops is a wise move for the most part. Sometimes it is, but not usually. Maybe once or twice, but not over and over.

quidz · Post by **quidz** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:31 am

Its frustrating yes, but on the other hand it keeps the showmanship alive..the raves alive..and the good ol radio show alive. People tune in all over the world to catch a little listen to the unreleased dubs that some djs have.

On the tip of road rage.. i agree with you but, the answer is dont buy it..dont support it. If DMZ get fuck all sales because of the angry punters then they will get the message and perhaps start releasing things a little more upfront? They clearly care more about their DMZ gigs than they do record sales..and thats their perogative.

Personally, ill be purchasing it.

End solution to your worries..start producing yourself.

yong · Post by **yong** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:42 am

quidz wrote:Its frustrating yes, but on the other hand it keeps the showmanship alive..the raves alive..and the good ol radio show alive. People tune in all over the world to catch a little listen to the unreleased dubs that some djs have.

On the tip of road rage.. i agree with you but, the answer is dont buy it..dont support it. If DMZ get fuck all sales because of the angry punters then they will get the message and perhaps start releasing things a little more upfront? They clearly care more about their DMZ gigs than they do record sales..and thats their perogative.

Personally, ill be purchasing it.

End solution to your worries..start producing yourself.

Yeah I agree with you, but think about tunes that were big 6 months ago getting released now.

Not cool.

netics · Post by **netics** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:15 am

End solution to your worries..start producing yourself.[/quote]

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:26 am

quidz wrote:Its frustrating yes, but on the other hand it keeps the showmanship alive..the raves alive..and the good ol radio show alive. People tune in all over the world to catch a little listen to the unreleased dubs that some djs have.

On the tip of road rage.. i agree with you but, the answer is dont buy it..dont support it. If DMZ get fuck all sales because of the angry punters then they will get the message and perhaps start releasing things a little more upfront? They clearly care more about their DMZ gigs than they do record sales..and thats their perogative.

Personally, ill be purchasing it.

End solution to your worries..start producing yourself.

At the end of the day, touring and being a working DJ is way more profitable than releasing pieces of plastic with a couple tunes on them. That said, without that plastic, those tours stop.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:32 am

seems like you lot are looking at this all backwards.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:08 am

puh leeeeeeeeeeeeease enlighten me then

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:46 am

stop listiening to so much dubstep then stop listening to every radio show, every mix... its way more fun to just be excited by the tunes i just bought, then whinging about how i've heard it too many times already.

I dont listen to any dubstep outside of the records I buy..then when a record comes out i couldnt care less if so and so is canning it every week, its still new to me. I never even heard road rage until it came out last week.
Patience is a virtue.

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:55 am

seems to me that if you are, say, coki and you are one of the very few people with a tune like say goblin or lucifer or robotnik then people have a very good reason for coming to see you and not someone else

if every chump had a copy of goblin to rinse it wouldnt be such a big deal when it gets played would it?

coki had to come up with that tune to get that privelege, and you expect to just pay £6 plus postage?

the key word is "expect"

no-one has to make their tunes more widely available if they dont want to and no-one has the right to expect it

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:00 am

Reptilian wrote:seems to me that if you are, say, coki and you are one of the very few people with a tune like say goblin or lucifer or robotnik then people have a very good reason for coming to see you and not someone else

if every chump had a copy of goblin to rinse it wouldnt be such a big deal when it gets played would it?

coki had to come up with that tune to get that privelege, and you expect to just pay £6 plus postage?

the key word is "expect"

no-one has to make their tunes more widely available if they dont want to and no-one has the right to expect it

As a consumer you have a right to DEMAND, my friend. Like I run a label... you can DEMAND that we release Digital or you won't buy our releases as an end result. And what are we to do about it?

We either act or lose your business. Likewise, we demand that people don't sit on tunes for 6 months to a year, otherwise we won't support them or their releases. It's not the matter of them taking 6 months to come out. That happens all the time. The difference is that for 6 months everyone already has the tune and is playing it constantly in the upper echlons of the top level DJ game, and then it is released to us PEONS, and we are expected to take it and play it...

ya, we will probably go see Coki to check out what tunes he has coming out... COMING OUT means that there is a chance, that they are already mastered, already in production, already on the way... otherwise, there is no point, other than seeing what the response is. Once you know, then what was the point?

To continue to have something exclusive... why release it then?

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:04 am

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:14 am

people want everything now, but it can take months, sometimes years to write, mix and master a good track. why shouldnt the producer or a good dj be able to have this track in advance for a bit if he invested so much time to make or break it?

after all this is a key part of makes them an appealing DJ. would we all be so excited about seeing our favourite DJ if they just played their back catalog from start to finish?

to me this is all about dubplate culture and the point about dubpate culture compared to say, commercial house, is not that dubstep tunes come out late, it that thanks to dubs, you get to hear them early.

madrpo · Post by **madrpo** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:25 am

Its a bit of a double edged sword for producers though because eventually someone will get their hands on a copy of said tune, copy it then put it up on to**ent sites. Then the producer complains cause people are illegally downloading their stuff............

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:31 am

Surface_Tension wrote:
As a consumer you have a right to DEMAND, my friend.

don't patronise me - its you who blatantly doesn't get it

JazzyJazzy · Post by **JazzyJazzy** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:37 am

sometimes, definately more recently. a vinyl can take months to come back after going into press.

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