Who produces with a sub?

8bit · Post by **8bit** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:24 am

lol, invest in a subwoofer because dats wat dubstep is all about, and u cant mix without 1!

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:34 am

8Bit wrote:lol, invest in a subwoofer because dats wat dubstep is all about, and u cant mix without 1!

some do some don't, i don't see the need for one. mixdowns work out well on my tapco S5 monitors. i'm that use to them that any additional monitoring would be counterproductive for me now...plus a sub would be ridiculous in my room.

tempahproductions · Post by **tempahproductions** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:03 am

well yes and no

i found mixing with a sub hard at first now its like my best friend but u dont have to have one... but its good for the low end

jblake · Post by **jblake** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:58 am

Luckily sub is easily isolated when mastering. I mix on a pair of big Genelecs nowadays. No sub, but the mixes are getting much tighter since I started using them. Generally I would say it's optional but not necessary.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:01 am

gonna invest in one soon and a bunch more acoustic treatment first

future one · Post by **future one** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:14 am

I have one but don't monitor with it on all the time. Essential for bass heavy music production imo.

MARCHMELLOW · Post by **MARCHMELLOW** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:12 pm

i literally just bought an active sub that goes down to about 35-40hz to compliment my alesis mk11 active monitors.

trust me, it was a hundred quid spent well.

maybe not just for monitoring while producing, but definitly for mixing down, and mixing from my turntables - mainly because i find myself pushing my monitors while mixing, trying to find the bass that they just won't go down to.

i'd say ; it aint essential, so don't spend tons of cash on one, if your worried about your sub monitoring, get a spectrum analyzer and have a look! BUT if you wanna have some fun , get one for sure!

faun2500 · Post by **faun2500** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:29 pm

8Bit wrote:lol, invest in a subwoofer because dats wat dubstep is all about, and u cant mix without 1!

Sorry! But I mix perfectly fine without a sub! Im assuming your comment was a joke right?

twitch · Post by **twitch** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:50 pm

Yes - Fostex PM2's with matching sub. I use it 78% of the time. Sometimes I mute it - check clarity at higher decibel and then un-mute to make sure sub db isnt too heavy.

Its not a "must have" for production - but i really like those sub freq's - and it makes listening SO much more pleasurable.

noesis · Post by **noesis** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:29 pm

Most monitors roll off around 60Hz and are designed to be used with a subwoofer, even the larger mid-field ones. Crossover points are generally around 80Hz to keep the mains from struggling as they start to loose efficiency.

The idea isn't to have a huge subwoofer, but one that has relatively flat frequency response. Matching the output to the mains (a lot of people run their subs hot, which will end up sounding thin in the mixdown) is important, investing in an SPL meter and a frequency sweep CD. If your subwoofer is properly mated with the mains, you shouldn't be able to tell where it takes over for them at the crossover point.

This is a common misconception on this forum, which is mind boggling to me since this is bass music. There could be lots of artifacts you don't want below your monitors frequency range.

manray · Post by **manray** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:42 am

I think it's important if you get a sub that you are very careful to match the levels because too much sub will screw your mixes.

OoGuN · Post by **OoGuN** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:16 am

nah it's not essential. More essential is to know your monitors and test the results on as many different systems as you can. If you dj, play your dubs over the sound system....

i use genelecs and if i really want to know what's going on lower than 20HZ, I use a few different analysis software tools..

maybe the reason I don't feel the need for one is that I tend to filter out stuff at ridiculously low frequencies....

oh ...and..Acoustic Treatment will get you a long way towards sorting out yer bottom end in your mixes. It's not sexy (inless you've got a thing for foam) but there you go

mizz · Post by **mizz** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:43 pm

OoGuN wrote:if i really want to know what's going on lower than 20HZ, I use a few different analysis software tools..

can u advise which ones? im begginer.

martello · Post by **martello** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:06 pm

mizz wrote:
OoGuN wrote:if i really want to know what's going on lower than 20HZ, I use a few different analysis software tools..
can u advise which ones? im begginer.

Lower than 20 Hz?

manray · Post by **manray** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:07 am

mizz wrote:
OoGuN wrote:if i really want to know what's going on lower than 20HZ, I use a few different analysis software tools..
can u advise which ones? im begginer.

Spectral Analyser like Voxengo SPAN.

Very handy. Especially if your speakers don't go very low. I think my Tannoy Reveals stop at like 60hz.

noesis · Post by **noesis** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:33 am

manray wrote:I think it's important if you get a sub that you are very careful to match the levels because too much sub will screw your mixes.

Nod. A subwoofer run hot will create the inverse on the mixdown.

I disagree with you on depending on spectrum analysis for the low end, I still think you need to hear it. Below 20 you can't regardless, but you sure can in the 30-50 range.

rendr · Post by **rendr** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:40 am

I just use my laptop, no headphones or monitors, nothing.

It's pretty much the same as using NS-10's

noesis · Post by **noesis** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:12 am

Rendr wrote:I just use my laptop, no headphones or monitors, nothing.

It's pretty much the same as using NS-10's

I mix using only the signal lights on my amplifier.

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