post-punk/post-punk/math-rock/whatever it's called

Jah Billah · Post by **Jah Billah** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:40 pm

subvert47 wrote: though we called it "new wave" back in the day

no-wave

subvert47 · Post by **subvert47** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:32 pm

Jah Billah wrote:
subvert47 wrote: though we called it "new wave" back in the day
no-wave

ok

I was never much into new york no wave myself
but it led onto some interesting music, with noise-rock and such

sonic youth anyone?

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:11 pm

subvert47 wrote:I did a post-punk set a few weeks back
playing these tracks:

A Certain Ratio - Flight / Forced Laugh
Cabaret Voltaire - Obsession / This is Entertainment
Eric Random - Fade In
Essential Logic - The Order Form
The Fall - Flat of Angles
The Human League - The Dignity of Labour Part 2
Joy Division - Wilderness
Killing Joke - Turn to Red
Material - Memory Serves
The Pop Group - Thief of Fire
Public Image Limited - Careering / Socialist
The Slits - Newtown
Talking Heads - Crosseyed and Painless
23 Skidoo - The Gospel Comes to New Guinea

sorry, no recording

but I did a post punk podcast too a couple of years ago
tracklisting:

01. Scritti Politti – Scritlock’s Door
02. Cabaret Voltaire – Silent Command
03. The Fall – Crap Rap 2 / Like To Blow
04. Throbbing Gristle – Slug Bait
05. Essential Logic – Aerosol Burns
06. Delta 5 – Mind Your Own Business
07. 23 Skidoo – Kundalini
08. Public Image Limited – Memories
09. Swell Maps – Another Song
10. The Durutti Column – Colette
11. Gang of Four – Outside The Trains Don’t Run On Time
12. The Slits – Newtown
13. Joy Division – Wilderness
14. Wire – The 15th
15. The Pop Group – We Are All Prostitutes
16. Cabaret Voltaire – Baader Meinhof
17. This Heat – 24 Track Loop
18. The Raincoats – Lola
19. Throbbing Gristle – Maggot Death

mp3 at the bottom of this page if you're interested

though we called it "new wave" back in the day

hey do I know you, you like a lot of the stuff I like!

my name is Joe Caithness, goto most of the decent dubstep nights in Notts, used to goto a lot of punk/hc shows

selrahc · Post by **selrahc** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:46 pm

as far as converge-esque stuff goes, i'd get some botch (we are the romans = classic), old man gloom (isis/converge side project, heavy as fuck post rock), and early cave in (first few records). maybe pelican ('fire in our throats' lp) and indian summer (there's a release with all their stuff on) as well.

edit: i forgot circle takes the square. bonkers grind/math/whatever. flawless first album, good split with pg99, new album in the pipeline.

my_war · Post by **my_war** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:07 am

for bands like the ones you mentioned:

coalesce
botch
curl up and die
beecher

subvert47 · Post by **subvert47** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:51 am

Joe C wrote:hey do I know you, you like a lot of the stuff I like!

my name is Joe Caithness, goto most of the decent dubstep nights in Notts, used to goto a lot of punk/hc shows

probably not
me: Jonathan Tait, 45, hardly go out anywhere

but hello notts crew

Jah Billah · Post by **Jah Billah** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:47 am

Really can't drop any names that haven't been dropped till now so just gonna repeat a few, outta wide range of post punk art core no jazz acid noise stuff :

Big Black/Shellac, Tortoise, Ui (A MUST), Rodan, Don Caballero (KILLERS!), Zeni Geva (WATCH OUT!), June of 44, list goes on but go for some krautrock too while you at it.

eastern spin doctor · Post by **eastern spin doctor** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:04 pm

check norma jeans first album bless the martyr kiss the child. i would also recomend architects first album nightmares. the bled are also a sick band with some very interestin time signatures. if you are looking for weired mathcore aswell i would recomende the number 12 looks like you. If you into realy tech grind check psyopus out and also see you next tuesday.

hope this helps!

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:22 pm

subvert47 wrote:
Joe C wrote:hey do I know you, you like a lot of the stuff I like!

my name is Joe Caithness, goto most of the decent dubstep nights in Notts, used to goto a lot of punk/hc shows
probably not
me: Jonathan Tait, 45, hardly go out anywhere

but hello notts crew

hehe no probs

do you record shop in Notts at all, I hang out on the Mansfield road strip

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:23 pm

Jah Billah wrote:Really can't drop any names that haven't been dropped till now so just gonna repeat a few, outta wide range of post punk art core no jazz acid noise stuff :

Big Black/Shellac, Tortoise, Ui (A MUST), Rodan, Don Caballero (KILLERS!), Zeni Geva (WATCH OUT!), June of 44, list goes on but go for some krautrock too while you at it.

that Rodan tune "silver bible corner" or whatever is good... better than their proper stuff!

if you like post punk / emo stuff check out my band http://www.myspace.com/whatpricewonderland

subvert47 · Post by **subvert47** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:22 pm

Joe C wrote:do you record shop in Notts at all, I hang out on the Mansfield road strip

I was down there today
Selectadisc, FOPP, Funky Monkey
and on Mansfield Road: Good Vibrations. the A shop, and Daphne's Handbag

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:13 pm

The Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge and The End are pretty much metal in my book. The End is like Strapping Young Lad with odd time signatures. Converge is like a crossover thrash band with a dose of early '90s Dischord Records and the Dillinger Escape Plan are sort of comparable to Cynic and Gorguts.

You'll find a lot of what you're looking for in progressive thrash metal and technical/jazzy death metal. Check out Gorguts, Martyr, some Cryptopsy (avoid the latest album like the plage) and get 'Time Does Not Heal' by Dark Angel (a high light of thrash metal).

Some people swear by 'Behold... The Arctopus' so get into that. I'm not the biggest fan, but meh.

The Red Chord is good, they're lumped in with the whole bree thing but they're totally different. Check out the first two albums.

OH OH OH, before I forget, check out Cephalic Carnage.

Dying Will be The Death Of Me on Youtube

And the amazing, AMAZING band Pig Destroyer is sorta of like a thrash metal band on caffeine with a death metal drummer and a hardcore punk singer on speed who get into Melvins like grooves. Totally something a Converge fan might dig.

skeletor · Post by **skeletor** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:33 am

Gang of Four
Battles

my_war · Post by **my_war** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:40 am

Genevieve wrote:The Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge and The End are pretty much metal in my book. The End is like Strapping Young Lad with odd time signatures. Converge is like a crossover thrash band with a dose of early '90s Dischord Records and the Dillinger Escape Plan are sort of comparable to Cynic and Gorguts.

You'll find a lot of what you're looking for in progressive thrash metal and technical/jazzy death metal. Check out Gorguts, Martyr, some Cryptopsy (avoid the latest album like the plage) and get 'Time Does Not Heal' by Dark Angel (a high light of thrash metal).

Some people swear by 'Behold... The Arctopus' so get into that. I'm not the biggest fan, but meh.

The Red Chord is good, they're lumped in with the whole bree thing but they're totally different. Check out the first two albums.

OH OH OH, before I forget, check out Cephalic Carnage.

Dying Will be The Death Of Me on Youtube

And the amazing, AMAZING band Pig Destroyer is sorta of like a thrash metal band on caffeine with a death metal drummer and a hardcore punk singer on speed who get into Melvins like grooves. Totally something a Converge fan might dig.

wrong on almost all levels.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:20 pm

edit crap double post

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:38 pm

B-LAM wrote:
the_paulo wrote: Well, all the bands listed above aren't any of the genre's described in the title.
what would you say is a more fitting genre name?

seen them labelled as hardcore - but they have so little in common with other hardcore bands, I really can't see it..
also seen mathcore, but honestly, I don't feel comfortable running around saying I love mathcore

Ehh 'mathcore' was a marketing trick used by Relapse records to sell the Dillinger Escape Plan, it's a nod to the math rock scene that spawned the Squirrel Bait bands (Squirrel Bait/Slint/Rodan/A Minor Forest/Gastr del Sol/The For Carnation) and so on and so forth.

You're pretty much right, they don't really sound like other 'hardcore bands'. If you compare, let's say, Converge and Slayer side by side, you'll find they have more in common with each other than Converge does with bands like, let's say, Minor Threat (if I gotta pick a well known one). In fact, hardcore took a different approach by the end of the '80s, but it's not well documented by the rock press. In the '87 a band called Infest released its first demo, which was a turning point since it countered the metallic grind (though grindcore doesn't have to be metallic at all, sadly the music press labels Napalm Death as the originators of grindcore whereas the Dutch hardcore band Lärm did grindcore with blastbeats when Napalm Death was still playing peace punk) with its own type of extremely fast hardcore punk, which set the foundation for modern day thrashcore and powerviolence as we know it. Hellnation, Man Is the Bastard, Capitalist Casualties, Jellyroll Rockheads? I'd say you could all trace them back to Infest's demo and their following releases. Sadly, the music press started focusing on the New York tough guy thing which people in the hardcore scene actually consider nothing more than jock metal since there's really barely anything hardcore about it. Those bands were a big influence on what a lot of people call "metalcore" (another meaningless term since people use it liberally for melodic death metal bands to groove metal bands to stuff like Poison the Well and even sludge metal) these days so some confuse The Dillinger Escape Plan as being a 'hardcore band'.

Especially given that hardcore, like all punk, is about being simple, fast and aggressive, it sorts of makes it impossible for TDEP to be hardcore. You can only have so many dynamics and progressive tendencies until you stop sounding like punk at all. I'd say that Discordance Axis is pretty much as technical as punk can get.

wooleybooley · Post by **wooleybooley** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:44 am

Post-Punk:

The Sound
Sad Lovers & Giants
The Chameleons
Bauhaus ( even though most peeps call them Goth )
Echo & The Bunnymen
Joy Division

Math Rock and post Rock:

Minus The Bear
65daysofstatic
Mogwai
Caspian
Russian Circles
If These Trees Could Talk
Windmills By The Ocean
Jesu
Explosions In The Sky
Mono
Do Make Say Think

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:19 am

Since people have mentioned some post-rock...
Given the drum & bass connection (Graham Sutton of Boymerang is involved with the band), I am surprised to see little mention of Bark Psychosis. Amazing post-rock band.

And Cul De Sac wins. =| They need more mentions, yes.

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:04 am

Wooleybooley wrote:Post-Punk:

The Sound

[Surprised you actually know them.Very obscure reference.'Longest Days' is an incredible tune,if not just for the bassline alone.]

Sad Lovers & Giants

['Big Track Little Track',Imagination','In Flux',and 'Man Of Straw' still get me rockin' out.Did you ever get into Snake Corps.?Same guitarist,but with a singer with a more powerful presence.They also cover 'In Flux' with vigor.]

The Chameleons UK

[In my top 5 fave bands ever.Dave Fielding and Reg Smithies had as much an impact on my guitar playing as Robert Smith(The Cure/The Glove/Siouxsie),Daniel Ash(Bauhaus/Tones On Tail/Love & Rockets),Bari Bari(Christian Death),Marty Willson-Piper(The Church/All About Eve),Peter Koppes(The Church),Mick Harvey(Boys Next Door/Birthday Party/Honeymoon In Red/Crime & The City Solution/Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds)and Robin Guthrie(Cocteau Twins).]

Bauhaus ( even though most peeps call them Goth )

[Really? We used to call them arty post punk or glam punk back in the 80s.'Bela Lugosi's Dead' is still a great dub tune to me(David J. was all about dub music.)]

Echo & The Bunnymen

[Post punk's answer to The Doors.Standard."Crocodiles" is one of the best albums of all time!]

Joy Division

[Couldn't really have a post punk list without 'em,I suppose.Although I was a big Section 25,The Wake(dubby post punk from Scotland featuring a young pre-Primal Scream Bobby Gillespie),A Certain Ratio,Tunnelvision,Durutti Column,and Crispy Ambulance fan...if we're talking bands on Factory.I quite liked Minny Pops and Inca Babies as well.]

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:08 am

Genevieve wrote:I am surprised to see little mention of Bark Psychosis. Amazing post-rock band.

Fuck yeah!

"Hex" is a dope record."Pendulumn Man' is as brilliant a piece of ambient heaven as anything Brian Eno has done.Dare I say that Bark Psychosis has progrock leanings?I do dare...

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