The death of Vinyl

tomd88 · Post by **tomd88** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:00 pm

dubstepz wrote:
boogs wrote: Scream

IT'S SKREAM. And vinyl is way better, unless your Shackleton. Files and even CDs just aren't the same man

dubstepz · Post by **dubstepz** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:03 pm

Tomd88 wrote:
dubstepz wrote:
boogs wrote: Scream

IT'S SKREAM. And vinyl is way better, unless your Shackleton. Files and even CDs just aren't the same man

Skream, Scram, Scream... wateva.

I listen and don't read man.

Why is Vinyl ''way better'' for you?

Honestly... I am interested to hear it.

dusk governor · Post by **dusk governor** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:15 pm

dubstepz wrote:
Tomd88 wrote:
dubstepz wrote:
boogs wrote: Scream

IT'S SKREAM. And vinyl is way better, unless your Shackleton. Files and even CDs just aren't the same man
Skream, Scram, Scream... wateva.

I listen and don't read man.

Why is Vinyl ''way better'' for you?

Honestly... I am interested to hear it.

it's all up to preference...cds or digital files just don't compare to the warmth of a good vinyl cut...personally i'll never buy an mp3 or wav.

thc · Post by **thc** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:24 pm

when you're in the club, your laptop crashin and havin five minutes of silence while you get it back up really kills the dance

dubstepz · Post by **dubstepz** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:28 pm

dusk governor wrote:
it's all up to preference...cds or digital files just don't compare to the warmth of a good vinyl cut...personally i'll never buy an mp3 or wav.

Ok. I totaly get you and there are many people with that view.

To be honest, this ''warmth'' argument has always confused me.

I know you get the imperfections and vinyl sound off most record players/decks but to me it sound's less accurate instead of warm?????

.wav's may sound too perfectly polised but that is personally how I like to hear + play music, being somebody who makes it myself.

I have nothing against people who love vinyl, but why would you NEVER buy a mp3 or wav? I know this is the general feeling among the scene and this really needs to be changed if you want access to more music cheaper.

dubstepz · Post by **dubstepz** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:30 pm

thc wrote:when you're in the club, your laptop crashin and havin five minutes of silence while you get it back up really kills the dance

Most Dj's use laptops in the techno and house scene.

Always have CD back up's init.

But that situation will never happy in a dnb/dubstep rave because the crowd and scene is on the vinyl.

thc · Post by **thc** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:20 pm

besides, how do you wheel up a tune on a laptop? and "cdr rewinds" sound silly

chrish · Post by **chrish** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:50 am

I prefer vinyl because it's a collectable, tangible, snap shot in time. It comes with artwork which makes it easy for my brain to file, and search for later, and it's nice to get a package in the mail with new wax.

I have switched over to 98% MP3 purchases as of late for several reasons; cost, storage area, and I have an awful back & can't carry a record box anymore.

Now I just need to carry my Torq box, laptop, time encoded vinyl, and then a few CD's & normal records as back up just in case although never needed the backups so far.

I will always buy vinyl to some extent, as long as it's around anyway. I just love it, and have for many years now.

subindex · Post by **subindex** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:31 am

Fixation wrote:
dubstepz wrote:
Who want's a room full of vinyl when you can do the same in a laptop particularly if your lucky enough to be a traveling DJ.

i would take a room full of vinyl over a laptop anyday

i thought this untill i got torq lol

Tangka · Post by **Tangka** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:42 am

sounds more like you've been looking into a mirror, not a crystal ball

:partridge:

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:12 am

thc wrote:besides, how do you wheel up a tune on a laptop? and "cdr rewinds" sound silly

Rewinds sound silly when done with vinyl put that in your pipe and smoke it. Seriously tho where have you been for the last 8 years? Most of us are using vinyl to control our laptops. You can do rewinds all night long. I am shocked you have not heard of that.

TBH I have a room full of vinyl that I wish I could get rid of. I thought all this vinyl would mean something to me years down the road but sadly most of it does not. I could easily whittle my collection down to about 500 12"s without shedding a tear. If I still had the money to by vinyl I'd still probably buy the digi copy and if I still like the tune after a month or two then I'd try to track it down.

Vinyl sales in dubstep are going down and down per release. Maybe the reason is there is more supply than demand these days. As a producer I am perfectly happy to go the "green" route and not pollute the world with a couple hundred discs that no one wants. I think that is the thing tho, if you are a label and want the bangers you have to put out vinyl, digi lables seem to get the bottom of the barrel. I think the attitude with have to change at the producer level for it to completely change over. As it is there is a ton of tunes I cannot buy because I can't justify paying that much for two tunes.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:59 am

abZ wrote: Vinyl sales in dubstep are going down and down per release.

based on what information? vinyl sales of dubstep, compared to other underground genres, are higher than ever. this has been confirmed several times by people that actually work in stores that are on this forum.

don't make blanket statements about something, without looking at the whole picture, not from the perspective of one label's history.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:48 am

Shiva plays from the laptop, as do a number of other people. Kode 9 played on a laptop last I saw him. Lots of people, I would say 60% or more play from CDJ's. Vinyl is pretty much the only way people take your label seriously. I'd have people, not knowing that we have forthcoming vinyl, tell me that I shouldn't talk on matters of the state of the music industry, because I only run a digital label and that is some shit that "even a monkey could do".

Vinyl does lend a bit of credibility in the end, but I would rather be credible for other reasons(putting out good music, for instance)

I also do know the feeling of holding a proper piece of wax in my hands after a 2 week wait from the time of ordering. It is ALWAYS worth buying vinyl if you have the means. I wouldn't ever neglect the vinyl market, niche as it might become... I'd rather hold vinyl, because when I get tired of it(should that ever happen) someone will be digging for it on ebay and pay a pretty little sum for it.

Just like baseball cards man.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:20 am

seckle wrote:
abZ wrote: Vinyl sales in dubstep are going down and down per release.
based on what information? vinyl sales of dubstep, compared to other underground genres, are higher than ever. this has been confirmed several times by people that actually work in stores that are on this forum.

don't make blanket statements about something, without looking at the whole picture, not from the perspective of one label's history.

You say as compared to other underground genres but what about compared to dubstep in 04 or 05? And I am talking per-release and not overall volume.

ST100 · Post by **ST100** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:27 am

Fixation wrote:
dubstepz wrote:
Who want's a room full of vinyl when you can do the same in a laptop particularly if your lucky enough to be a traveling DJ.

i would take a room full of vinyl over a laptop anyday

this.

ST100 · Post by **ST100** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:31 am

I'm just gonna throw out a couple of reasons why I think vinyl is better than MP3's and all that digital business...

Sound quality, ofcourse, for one.
I like actually being able to have the music, and be able to hold it, if you know what I mean...
Artwork.
etc...

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:56 am

dubstep vinyl isn't barcoded, and there's no official sales figures for a whole lot of reasons. the only barometer that we can use is the top 10 store charts for vinyl sales, as well as informed individuals that are watching sales on a daily basis. luckily a few of them are on this forum and have (several times now) explained, that sales in vinyl for this sound are growing and growing, as other scene's sales have been leveling off or fading.

what person X at a distro company tells label owner Y about the health of the "scene" is a loaded question. they're going to tell you what they want you to hear based on your sales relationship with them. it's not accurate info. it's loaded info.

dubstep digital sales by its very delivery system can give you a rough idea of what's selling and what isn't, but even then it's not accurate enough to make any blanket statements that would be relevant to vinyl sales.

in 04-05 dubstep, there were maybe 8 to 12 labels putting out releases from this sound. maybe 3 to 5 tunes were being released in the space of a whole month during those days. this forum and other forums had less than 300 registered members in late 05. it was nothing, and i mean nothing like it is today. you're talking about maybe 4 or 5 thousand people globally, in total that were into this sound in 05.

in 2009 we're probably well over 500 thousand people globally that've heard/downloaded/know about/followed or purchased dubstep.
everything is nearly 300% different from back then. it's comparing rocks to boulders.

more labels, obviously means that there's more purchase choices, more success stories and more tragic ones too. its the nature of underground music. one group of labels will sell out every single release they put out, and even repress immediately. another group of labels will struggle to sell even 100 copies of a 500 promo run, get dropped by vinyl distro and fold.

kayo · Post by **kayo** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:59 am

Vynil is like wine. better to drink Portwine with a bottle than in a milk package

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