post-punk/post-punk/math-rock/whatever it's called

[Genevieve]

I am surprised to see little mention of Bark Psychosis. Amazing post-rock band.

Fuck yeah!

"Hex" is a dope record."Pendulumn Man' is as brilliant a piece of ambient heaven as anything Brian Eno has done.Dare I say that Bark Psychosis has progrock leanings?I do dare...

I would say they do, they're very evident on 'Codename: Dustsucker', specifically the song 'Shapeshifting' with the organ and the 7/4 drums and such.

'Independency' is great too. Yeah yeah, it's a singles collection, but a great one at that. 'Manman' and 'Blood Rush' are some of my favorite tunes by them. I can't believe they started out as Napalm Death cover band, holy crap.

[my_war]

Well, all the bands listed above aren't any of the genre's described in the title.

what would you say is a more fitting genre name?

seen them labelled as hardcore - but they have so little in common with other hardcore bands, I really can't see it..
also seen mathcore, but honestly, I don't feel comfortable running around saying I love mathcore

Ehh 'mathcore' was a marketing trick used by Relapse records to sell the Dillinger Escape Plan, it's a nod to the math rock scene that spawned the Squirrel Bait bands (Squirrel Bait/Slint/Rodan/A Minor Forest/Gastr del Sol/The For Carnation) and so on and so forth.

You're pretty much right, they don't really sound like other 'hardcore bands'. If you compare, let's say, Converge and Slayer side by side, you'll find they have more in common with each other than Converge does with bands like, let's say, Minor Threat (if I gotta pick a well known one). In fact, hardcore took a different approach by the end of the '80s, but it's not well documented by the rock press. In the '87 a band called Infest released its first demo, which was a turning point since it countered the metallic grind (though grindcore doesn't have to be metallic at all, sadly the music press labels Napalm Death as the originators of grindcore whereas the Dutch hardcore band Lärm did grindcore with blastbeats when Napalm Death was still playing peace punk) with its own type of extremely fast hardcore punk, which set the foundation for modern day thrashcore and powerviolence as we know it. Hellnation, Man Is the Bastard, Capitalist Casualties, Jellyroll Rockheads? I'd say you could all trace them back to Infest's demo and their following releases. Sadly, the music press started focusing on the New York tough guy thing which people in the hardcore scene actually consider nothing more than jock metal since there's really barely anything hardcore about it. Those bands were a big influence on what a lot of people call "metalcore" (another meaningless term since people use it liberally for melodic death metal bands to groove metal bands to stuff like Poison the Well and even sludge metal) these days so some confuse The Dillinger Escape Plan as being a 'hardcore band'.

Especially given that hardcore, like all punk, is about being simple, fast and aggressive, it sorts of makes it impossible for TDEP to be hardcore. You can only have so many dynamics and progressive tendencies until you stop sounding like punk at all. I'd say that Discordance Axis is pretty much as technical as punk can get.

lol