Mixing Dubstep with D n B. Any Tips????

jibba · Post by **jibba** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:23 pm

You CAN BEATMATCH though not at the same pitch. That's all I'm saying on the matter.

I matched these two in a previous mix...

The Black Ghosts – some way through this (Skream & Plastician mix)
Dillinja – unexplored terrain

whitelight · Post by **whitelight** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:21 am

I'm not a DJ...

But I'm imaginative, and I guess there's some effects you could use to create a radical change in the music like:

Play the beginning of a DNB track like "Where's my money", rewind, start the dubstep remix juste before the bassdrop.

Using ambient sounds, like said before.

You could use an agressive alarm sound after a DNB track, and then start playing some dubstep. The switch will be obvious and radical, but that's the point. The dubstep track would have to be massive for the effect to work correctly.

juliun_c90 · Post by **juliun_c90** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:15 pm

Jibba wrote:You CAN BEATMATCH though not at the same pitch.

HOW?!? Pitching one up and one down loads on a digital format doesn't count.

jibba · Post by **jibba** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:26 pm

juliun_c90 wrote:
Jibba wrote:You CAN BEATMATCH though not at the same pitch.
HOW?!? Pitching one up and one down loads on a digital format doesn't count.

Why not? If you get two tracks that work together and you do it properly you can switch them up just before the first drop of the track being mixed into - done right and you can't spot the tempo change until the tune itself drops.

Pitching dubstep up does sound silly but you can get some D&B tunes down without it sounding too shabby. Mixing from D&B into dubstep though is more difficult and probably best done like others have said using quiet parts of tunes or cutting records in like you would hip hop etc

ben freeman · Post by **ben freeman** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:15 pm

What I have done and it works really sweet...

Get some ragga jungle with those clash/vocal breakdowns, and then mix those into actual reggae and dancehall tunes, from there you can easily find another reggae tune with a different tempo to break into as reggae is mixed together very quickly, mostly cuts. Then when it is appropriate, go into dubstep with a reggae tinge to it.... it works flawlessly, and will keep the mood in check. The vibe doesn't really change much.

Also, you could get a sampler and just hit it an assload with some cool reggae effect samples when the jungle break down hits...assuming it is a tune without percussion in it at the breakdown.

But yea, you might not be abe to right away mix it into dubstep from jungle as the tempos are so different, but finding a good transition genre will always get you there eventually. Also maybe there are some tunes that have breakdowns that go into the 180 bpm somewhere. Tempo changes in tunes are always fun.

kidlogic · Post by **kidlogic** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:42 pm

Chainsaw by Fresh breaks down into dubstep for about 32 bars...

There are a few tunes I used to have that breakdown into breaks... um Painkiller by Pendy and Freestylers mix well... other than that, the Zinc Midnight Requestline remix and the Skream remix on the flip work for quick fades....

Oh, and if you wanna go with Night and its many remixes... the Zinc remix and the Breakage remix work depending on where youre coming from and/or going with it, stylistically.

The other way is to find dnb tunes that sound decent on 33 rather than speeding up the dubstep. Some tunes actually sound alright that slow, and slowing the bass down makes it deeper instead of speeding up dubstep and making it less bassy. Old Jump Up tunes work well (not the new school style, older stuff - 97-99ish jump up dnb) for speeding down.

promo · Post by **promo** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:01 pm

ALEKS ZEN wrote:the tempos are very different rudeboy, it aint happening

Totally dissagree. I've done sets full of completely different styles. Listening to the same style endlessly just gets boring.

zhao · Post by **zhao** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:44 am

(sorry i'm a bit tipsy)

rtype · Post by **rtype** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:17 am

assuming your using vinyl and a 1200/1210, you will not be able to beatmatch jungle/dnb with dubstep.

you can use simple maths for this.

take the two bpm's and divide them by each other. if the result is a whole # you can beatmatch them. for example

Dubstep 140 bpm and dubstep 140 140/140= 1 you can mix dubstep with dubstep!!!

Dnb= 180 , hip hop 90 180/90=2 mixable!!

Dnb = 180, dubstep = 140 180/140 = 1.285 unmixable!

kidlogic's option is better.. get some dnb/jungle and play it off speed ("blunted" i call this) that takes the dnb/jungle down to about 130 bpm. this is still awkward, whenever ive used old skool jungle on 33 with dubstep it still doenst match up well, the tunes need to pitched way up and down on the turntable to make it work.

suffice to say you can use some trickery or ambient moments/sound effects but you cannot beatmatch dnb with dubstep. you can, with a little creativity , transition from one to the other successfully. Id love to hear black ghosts remix with unexplored terrain though. post a clip

here's an example of dubstep mixed with jungle on 33, from a mixtape i did a while back

clip 1 - doc scott its yourz (metalheadz) mixed with Tayo Meets Acid Rockers Uptown — Dread Cowboy (box of dub, soul jazz)

http://www.divshare.com/download/6260117-9a9

clip 2 - breakage callahan (digital soundboy) mixed with burial unite (box of dub, soul jazz) into breakage the shroud (digital soundboy)

http://www.divshare.com/download/6260118-bf0

juliun_c90 · Post by **juliun_c90** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:34 am

rtype wrote:assuming your using vinyl and a 1200/1210, you will not be able to beatmatch jungle/dnb with dubstep.

finally some sense prevails.

dj_quakerr · Post by **dj_quakerr** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:11 pm

Cheers for all the responses people.

I knew from the outset that you beat match the two but appreciate some of the other suggestions. Got a couple of ideas from some of the answers.

As soon as I have a go and find something that works well I'll put up some links for people to decide whether or not they think it's any good.

Thanks again.

tempromental · Post by **tempromental** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:48 pm

if youve got the old Luca mixes he mixes garage into hip hop then into drum and bass in quite an inventive way.

hes playing sticky's triplets, then switches it down to 33rpm from 45rpm. he then scratches a hip hop accapella in and then mixes it on top and it fits perfectly, and triplets sounds like an actual hip hop beat. He then stops triplets, lets the accapella do a 16 on its own before switching that down to 33 from 45, and then mixes in Alex reese's pulp fiction at normal speed and the hip hop acapella is playing slow but it perfectly matches. Its kinda cool i'll see if i can find the mix on hy HD.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:34 pm

Promo wrote:Listening to the same style endlessly just gets boring.

Off topic, but with the amount of variety in dubstep at the moment, if you can't get through a set of all dubstep without getting bored then either you have ADHD or it's just not the genre for you...

sines · Post by **sines** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:27 pm

ppl still play d n b?

jk

MikeE · Post by **MikeE** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:20 am

We do it, but we use digital formats on M-Audio's Torq to do it and go anywhere from 100bpm up to 180bpm (Dnb, Dubstep, Breaks, Rock, Hiphop etc)...but thats only because it has a great bit of software for locking the picth...

Aphid has done it a few times with CDJ mixes, but it was all pre planed with cuepoints set on CDJs and loads of practice..

one day we will actually record a mix.

Can't see anyone doing it easily with 12"s

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